[KlausK]

I have driven my ID4 first edition since March. When driving around the city and suburbs, the range is 290 miles. Even when driving highway with AC on, I get 270 miles. So, clearly over the EPA estimate.

Contrast this with my neighbor, who has a Tesla Model X. EPA gave this a 300 mile range. According to my neighbor, he can get 250 miles in good condition, once it is hot or cold and he has to run climate control, it is less than 200.

So, it seems to me that the EPA did Tesla a favor here...

 

[Spin]

Teslas EPA estimates are known to be overly optimistic. My friend has never gotten near 200 miles with his Model 3.

 

[ericy]

Teslas EPA estimates are known to be overly optimistic. My friend has never gotten near 200 miles with his Model 3.

Tesla owners don't like it when you point that out.

I don't think anyone has ever gotten to the bottom of why it is that they are like this.

 

[TPG]

Teslas EPA estimates are known to be overly optimistic. My friend has never gotten near 200 miles with his Model 3.

I believe that Tesla estimates its range using a 5 cycle EPA test, while virtually all other EV makers use the 2 cycle test that gives more conservative / realistic results.

 

[Spin]

The good news for Model 3 owners is they charge at 250 kW on the V3 Superchargers. A long range M3 can get about 150 miles in a little over 10 minutes.

 

[Froggy]

I have driven my ID4 first edition since March. When driving around the city and suburbs, the range is 290 miles. Even when driving highway with AC on, I get 270 miles. So, clearly over the EPA estimate.

Contrast this with my neighbor, who has a Tesla Model X. EPA gave this a 300 mile range. According to my neighbor, he can get 250 miles in good condition, once it is hot or cold and he has to run climate control, it is less than 200.

So, it seems to me that the EPA did Tesla a favor here...

You are doing rather better than I am but most of my mileage has been on the Interstate. I also have never charge my vehicle beyond 80% fast charger or 90% level 1 so I am just extrapolating.

 

[SulfuricOlive]

The good news for Model 3 owners is they charge at 250 kW on the V3 Superchargers. A long range M3 can get about 150 miles in a little over 10 minutes.

According to Kyle Connor, the charge speed is pretty much the same because the ID.4 has a flatter charging curve. There are rumors of a 170kW charge speed coming out soon. E-tron charging curve will be ideal though.

I've never seen over 125 kW on my SR+ and often never get above 100 kW in it. I hope ID.4 doesn't throttle gate like my 3.

 

[bsalih]

I found this graph in Ross-tech forum gathered from an ID.4 FE. I have seen same profile in other forums and websites. I think it is pretty much what you will also get from your ID.4. If the rumors ever become a reality, it will only get better.

 

[Tigerfan1345]

If I had a choice, I’d rather have a longer charging curve with 125kW at its fastest.
I have seen YouTube videos stating that VW has been experimenting with 130kW but not promise to release in the future.

 

[Mike Bouck]

Not to rant but it's this type of behavior that sours me on Tesla more than anything. All other manufacturers meet (or more often beat) their range ratings. It's only Tesla that somehow misses the target consistently. Personally, I think it's indicative of their Silicon Valley pirate-like ethos where rules are "optional" and authority/regulation is ignored/subverted.

 

[ChristophW]

I just wish there was more consistency between makes. I blame the EPA as much as Tesla. There is no reason why the Porsche Taycan should have such a low EPA range when in the real world it is closer to the ID.4. And as discussed above, Teslas consistently missing their EPA range is terrible at the other end.
Devise a procedure that is fair, reliable, and consistent, without exceptions. We consumers deserve nothing less.

 

[Mike Bouck]

I just wish there was more consistency between makes. I blame the EPA as much as Tesla. There is no reason why the Porsche Taycan should have such a low EPA range when in the real world it is closer to the ID.4. And as discussed above, Teslas consistently missing their EPA range is terrible at the other end.
Devise a procedure that is fair, reliable, and consistent, without exceptions. We consumers deserve nothing less.

I agree that the EPA plays a role here but just because Tesla was "clever enough" to game EPA's own rules to Tesla's advantage doesn't mean Tesla is a blameless party. Clearly EPA's rules weren't similarly gamed by the other manufacturers - it took a certain market-motivated startup to figure out how to juice sales by any means necessary to raise awareness of the problem.

 

[bsalih]

I found this interesting article about Tesla car's range claims:

Testing Tesla's Range Anxiety: Tesla Model Y, Model 3, VW ID.4, Ford Mach-E | Edmunds

When we published our real-world Edmunds EV range test, Tesla challenged our finding that its vehicles fell short of their EPA range estimates. Was the challenge valid? Here's the test we conducted to find out.

www.google.com

Based on what Tesla claims, Edmunds were supposed to drive the car until car halts to a full stop, then you can get Tesla's claimed range. It seems even with that being done, only 2 out of 6 cars met Tesla's estimates which is worrisome.

If I remember correctly, almost every company exceeds their EPA estimates, and if you add those miles after car battery shows 0%, they will even go beyond that.

I think this is nice and comforting for choosing ID.4, because when I was considering upgrading my car, range was a huge decision making point, and I was little upset why other car companies cannot beat Tesla's range.

Another example I have seen was one of my friend had a Tesla M3 mid range claimed to go 260miles. He was driving from Seattle to Portland which is about 190 miles and he had to stop for 10/15% supercharge every time, and longer during the winter.

If car companies want to have a better marketing they should also add their Tesla Equivalent EPAs (TeEPA) right next to their actual EPAs.


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[ChristophW]

My son is taking delivery of a Model Y sometime in the next 3-6 weeks. It'll be very interesting to compare notes, and someday I am sure we will both drive San Diego to Ventura (180 miles), possibly as a convoy, and have real-world data of our own.

 

[dtaldridge]

According to Kyle Connor, the charge speed is pretty much the same because the ID.4 has a flatter charging curve. There are rumors of a 170kW charge speed coming out soon. E-tron charging curve will be ideal though.

I've never seen over 125 kW on my SR+ and often never get above 100 kW in it. I hope ID.4 doesn't throttle gate like my 3.

I believe the standard range model 3 did top out at 125kW until a couple of years ago, I believe that it tops out at 170kW, while the long range models can hit up to 250kW. I may be wrong, so feel free to correct me. I find that the ID.4 charges fairly quickly as long as the station is behaving properly, not quite as quick as my M3 LR, but it's still plenty quick for our purposes.

 

[Froggy]

I wonder if the increase to 170 kW will come in this first over the air update? I would be happy with a true 150 if it kept the same flat charging curve. for 170 I would have to start using the 350kW chargers at EA and I would rather leave them for people who could make better use out of them.

 

[dtaldridge]

I wonder if the increase to 170 kW will come in this first over the air update? I would be happy with a true 150 if it kept the same flat charging curve. for 170 I would have to start using the 350kW chargers at EA and I would rather leave them for people who could make better use out of them.

My post was in response to a statement in regards to the Tesla Model 3 and the charging. There is a rumor of a possibility of VW bumping up to 130kW charging, but I’m not sure that’s been substantiated at all. I’d rather they work out the bugs before working on that.

 

[Froggy]

My post was in response to a statement in regards to the Tesla Model 3 and the charging. There is a rumor of a possibility of VW bumping up to 130kW charging, but I’m not sure that’s been substantiated at all. I’d rather they work out the bugs before working on that.

Actually 170kW and they can work on both.

 

[SunWizard]

There is a rumor of a possibility of VW bumping up to 130kW charging, but I’m not sure that’s been substantiated at all.

Yes the 170KW charging has been confirmed by many at VW, including Dustin VW US director of e-mobility in vids posted here.

 

[rth121]

After about 500 miles on my new ID.4, I still haven't figured out how to get maximum charging speed.

35% to 50% was roughly at 70 kW
18% to 92% was roughly at 125 kW for first 30% or so when I was looking, then tapered off as expected.
14% to 52% was roughly at 100 kW <-couldn't figure out why it didn't get max charge speed...not slow, but still...