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To road trip or not to road trip with a brand new ID.4?

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Actually, it was originally about road trips.

When the battery is at "100%", it is only using 77kwh of 82kwh total. That's approx 6% overhead. It still has plenty in the battery for times when people hit the brakes at 100%. Non-issue.
This is incorrect. As I wrote earlier, I invite others who have their ID4s to try it and see if they get different results than I have.

That said, I'm not in the mood to pick nits regarding the "conversation" and some seem intent on arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll bow out of the discussion.
 

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The conversation is about braking with the battery fully charged to 100%. When the vehicle is only able to stop via friction, and if the rear drums are consistently activated under those conditions, then "servicing" could entail changing the pads eventually.
I guess I'm not sure I see how you plan to spend so much time at 100% that it actually impacts the life of the rear brakes. Regularly charging to 100% at the top of Pikes Peak?

I thought the original reason for discussing battery overhead for regen was whether it changes the driving experience, which is a separate issue. Are you saying that your ID.4 brakes (or drives in B mode) noticeably differently at 100% SOC? If so, how much charge do you have to use up before it starts to behave "normally"? I'm planning to road trip along the entire East Coast this summer, so that would be useful information. I'd test it myself, but I seem to be a member of the "my FE is swimming in the Atlantic" club.
 
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Yeah I saw that route. We live in San Tan. The faster route is through sicken burg and kingman. Wickenburg only has Tesla supercharger and kingman EA isn’t completed yet.
It's only about 30 miles farther going on I-10 and 95 through Needles.
 

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I’m planning a road trip (San Diego <-> Tucson) shortly after getting my ID.4. It feels risky to do that with a brand new car. Please share your experiences with road trips 250+ miles and using EA DC chargers in towns between larger cities.
You should be fine. There are E-A chargers in El Centro, AZ, Yuma (Target just off I-8), Dateland, AZ, Casa Grande (where I live) and Marana (just north of Tucson). Not all of them are 150Kw or 350 kw chargers however.
 

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It's only about 30 miles farther going on I-10 and 95 through Needles.
As someone in Los Angeles who sometimes drives to Phoenix, I've been watching that EA location in Quartzsite for years. It's been just sitting out there on Plugshare forever. Hopefully, it seems to finally be nearing completion. That'll bridge one of the biggest remaining gaps on I-10.
 

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As someone in Los Angeles who sometimes drives to Phoenix, I've been watching that EA location in Quartzsite for years. It's been just sitting out there on Plugshare forever. Hopefully, it seems to finally be nearing completion. That'll bridge one of the biggest remaining gaps on I-10.
It's at a Love's Travel stop. I wonder if the Love's people know how soon? I live in Casa Grande (south of Phoenix) so it is of great interest to me as well.
UPDATE: I called the Love's in Quartzite. They say the 4 stations are installed and waiting for an update/parts to complete. They think that they should be operational by May!!! Whoo Hoo.
 

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You should be fine. There are E-A chargers in El Centro, AZ, Yuma (Target just off I-8), Dateland, AZ, Casa Grande (where I live) and Marana (just north of Tucson). Not all of them are 150Kw or 350 kw chargers however.
According to ABRP, all the stops I need along the route have at least one 150kW charger, but after looking more closely, I see this:
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What do the white boxes with a red X indicate? Out of service or in use?
 

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I believe that's out of service. Check PlugShare for comments to see what people are saying about the site if you can't do a visual check easily.
I’m really glad you suggested that. PlugShare does show 3/4 are under repair. Who knows how long that will take? I will keep checking it over the next couple weeks. I should be able to just barely make it to the next station though if it’s not working. That’s going to be tight!
 

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I’m really glad you suggested that. PlugShare does show 3/4 are under repair. Who knows how long that will take? I will keep checking it over the next couple weeks. I should be able to just barely make it to the next station though if it’s not working. That’s going to be tight!
Are you planning on stopping at the BoE station in El Centro?
 

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Are you planning on stopping at the BoE station in El Centro?
Yes, ABRP has me arriving there with 34% and charging up to 72%. Are you thinking I should top it off there?
 

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Yes, ABRP has me arriving there with 34% and charging up to 72%. Are you thinking I should top it off there?
Yes, you'll need to top it off there.

Thankfully Alpine is relatively isometric. I used to make it up and over into the valley with an 86mi range eGolf...although I had to charge immediately upon arrival. The drive back would put me into El Cajon with enough to coast into a home charger and spend the next couple days topping off. In a pinch, Golden Acorn has a 120v plug in the parking lot where the RVs park--I'm not sure why they are the only casino without a quick charge but I digress!

There's a Walmart right at the base of Alpine. You can top off there and go over Alpine at 70-75 and end up with about 50 miles of range at the bottom if you're squeezing max regenerative braking on the descent.

The issue with the BoE chargers is that they're capped at 52kWh...or at least were when I tried them last week. I was going to pack the kids up and take them to it in about an hour to test it for you and I'll let you know if it was a fluke or a midnight limitation or if it's still going on. If it is still that way, it'll take a you 1.5 hours to charge to 80%. That's the last charger before you hit AZ so you'll need to plan accordingly. It would probably be more efficient to climb Alpine at 50-55 unless you don't mind reading/resting in the car.
 

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Yes, you'll need to top it off there.

Thankfully Alpine is relatively isometric. I used to make it up and over into the valley with an 86mi range eGolf...although I had to charge immediately upon arrival. The drive back would put me into El Cajon with enough to coast into a home charger and spend the next couple days topping off. In a pinch, Golden Acorn has a 120v plug in the parking lot where the RVs park--I'm not sure why they are the only casino without a quick charge but I digress!

There's a Walmart right at the base of Alpine. You can top off there and go over Alpine at 70-75 and end up with about 50 miles of range at the bottom if you're squeezing max regenerative braking on the descent.

The issue with the BoE chargers is that they're capped at 52kWh...or at least were when I tried them last week. I was going to pack the kids up and take them to it in about an hour to test it for you and I'll let you know if it was a fluke or a midnight limitation or if it's still going on. If it is still that way, it'll take a you 1.5 hours to charge to 80%. That's the last charger before you hit AZ so you'll need to plan accordingly. It would probably be more efficient to climb Alpine at 50-55 unless you don't mind reading/resting in the car.
That’s the return trip (Tucson to SD), but you advise topping it off there both ways?
 

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Yeah, you're going to need to get over Alpine and you'll need it when you come down off Alpine. If you want to message me the itinerary or post it here I can review it in relation to the trip from El Cajon to Yuma so you can minimize some potential issues.
 

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Yes, that's what I meant. The rear brake pads might not aid in friction braking under normal conditions and would only be activated in emergency situations and while parked. I can see VW claiming they would last the life of the vehicle under those conditions (ignoring, for a minute, what VW means when it labels something "lifetime").

The conversation is about braking with the battery fully charged to 100%. When the vehicle is only able to stop via friction, and if the rear drums are consistently activated under those conditions, then "servicing" could entail changing the pads eventually. If they are "sealed" in a way that owners can't change those pads because VW didn't engineer it with the assumption drivers would use friction brakes often or long enough, then that will present a problem for drivers who need to rely on their friction brakes more than those who don't.
Trying to remember my cars from long ago, when they had disks front and drums rear, the big disadvantage of drum brakes is they heat up faster and suffer more from "fading" as they are used -- which as you point out, leads to needing replacement sooner. Drum brakes traditionally are covered, so heat quicker and cool slower, they traditionally do still get air through the casing. Having the drum brake completely sealed (to prevent rust), the brakes will heat quicker and cool off even slower.

Actually, it was originally about road trips.

When the battery is at "100%", it is only using 77kwh of 82kwh total. That's approx 6% overhead. It still has plenty in the battery for times when people hit the brakes at 100%. Non-issue.
My understanding, from what I've seen and read, is that that last 6%(ish) of the battery cannot be used, that the car will not charge beyond 100% (the 77KWh of charge) -- even though the battery technically still has capacity the software prevents it from charging further.
 

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I just filled up to 100% (was planning a long trip tomorrow that got canceled) so this was a good opportunity to see how regen is affected. As you can see my regen is only half of what it normally is. Driving it still feels pretty strong and I wouldn’t say it feels any different in normal driving. I’ll see how low the SoC has to drop to get full regen again. Also I don’t recall how deep you can go into the regen bar without touching the brake. My plan is to go as long as I feel comfortable without charging and hopefully try a EA charge with single digit SoC.
 

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I just filled up to 100% (was planning a long trip tomorrow that got canceled) so this was a good opportunity to see how regen is affected. As you can see my regen is only half of what it normally is. Driving it still feels pretty strong and I wouldn’t say it feels any different in normal driving.
That's what I sort of figured, and had decided to not worry about brake feel or performance. Thanks for confirming it.
Filling to 100% from my solar panels before a big trip still beats anything other option.
 
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