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An optimistic guess - They needed a sample update from a few ID.4s for each possible configuration, and they received enough samples to go re-work the update process for a broad release. That combined with a rumored US based update server.

Or I'm in denial that they could go 90% of the way there and give up...
 

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So this mean no updates to 3.1, until further notice?
Yes.

An optimistic guess - They needed a sample update from a few ID.4s for each possible configuration, and they received enough samples to go re-work the update process for a broad release. That combined with a rumored US based update server.
I think there is a lot of truth to this.
 

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An optimistic guess - They needed a sample update from a few ID.4s for each possible configuration, and they received enough samples to go re-work the update process for a broad release. That combined with a rumored US based update server.

Or I'm in denial that they could go 90% of the way there and give up...
I hope your right
 

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Given dealers were notified to immediately stop, with no grace for already scheduled appointments, I think we are in for a long haul. "Team Ides" can begin it's planning in earnest.
 

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Well going on personal experience - it's just a matter of time before your 2.1-based car decides to brick itself. I'd suggest you keep the miles below 50K as long as possible so you'll have the full warranty if/when it happens to you. Ideally under 18K/18 months so it's still lemon law compliant.
 

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I think there is a lot of truth to this.
I hope your right
If we play the numbers game, what was it something like 100k 37k ID.4s that need a dealership visit? (FE, 2021s, a few 2022)
Some random website says there's 637 VW dealerships.
And the updates take "1 day". That's 157 58 cars per dealership, so 58 days to perfectly update them all.

Less optimistically, assume half of the dealerships have space/equipment/techs to perform updates, and the average update duration becomes 2 days per car. That's 2 years 4 months of updates...

So my guess - the update needs to take less "tech time" for them to proceed. Swap the 12v in the bay in 15 mins, put the VIN into a website, pick a USB out of 20 variants, and plug it into the car in the parking lot for 12 hours, customer picks it up the next day if the screen shows green.

At least that's how I'd do it, but the software I roll out doesn't touch hardware or need people to deploy it lol
 

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Yikes, that may decide it. Have really been trying to convince myself to give VW the benefit of the doubt on software updates and support, but really doesn't seem like they deserve it. Given that, I guess we may be spending a bit more money and getting a model Y or Ioniq 5.
 

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If we play the numbers game, what was it something like 100k ID.4s that need a dealership visit? (FE, 2021s, a few 2022)
The number of 2021/2022 vehicles is much smaller than that. 16,742 ID.4's were sold in the US in 2021. 20,511 were sold in 2022 - 2021 and 2022 models combined.
 

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Yikes, that may decide it. Have really been trying to convince myself to give VW the benefit of the doubt on software updates and support, but really doesn't seem like they deserve it. Given that, I guess we may be spending a bit more money and getting a model Y or Ioniq 5.
Better place your order soon; heard that delivery dates is slipping into late March or April for Model Y; if you're looking at tax credits.

I recently placed an order for a Model 3 RWD to replace the ID.4, mainly the recent price drop and tax credit was the selling point to me and hoping to get rid of the ID.4 while it's still somewhat worth ~$25K-$30K.
 

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Yikes, that may decide it. Have really been trying to convince myself to give VW the benefit of the doubt on software updates and support, but really doesn't seem like they deserve it. Given that, I guess we may be spending a bit more money and getting a model Y or Ioniq 5.
Note that this update is only relevant to 2021 and some 2022 model year cars - a new one already comes with the newer software.
 

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Note that this update is only relevant to 2021 and some 2022 model year cars - a new one already comes with the newer software.
I understand that, but (and I realize this is different for other people), I don't trust VW at this point. If 2021 vehicles are screwed now, I have to assume 2022 and 2023 are similarly going to be left behind in short order. Now maybe that won't happen, and maybe this is just a pause to fix things, but who knows, nothing about this suggests a company that is close to fixing its software problems. We're close to pulling the trigger on a 22 pro-s, but this may be the nail in that coffin. Nothing I can do but wait and see, it's just baffling how they're kneecapping such an otherwise great product (sorry for the mini rant and obviously as only a potential buyer, those that are actually stuck with one of these vehicles are in a much worse place)
 

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Yikes, that may decide it. Have really been trying to convince myself to give VW the benefit of the doubt on software updates and support, but really doesn't seem like they deserve it. Given that, I guess we may be spending a bit more money and getting a model Y or Ioniq 5.
I’m not sure I understand.
Do you own or are you considering purchasing a used 2021 ID.4.
If not I’m not sure how software issues with those cars affects your ordering a 2023 ID.4, which are great.
 
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