[sustainablebob]

We just purchased our 2023 ID4 and I’m shocked at how slow it charges at Electrify America. The charging rates I’m getting are 65-70 kW at normal temps. Every ID4 at these chargers seem about the same. Every other brand of EV charges at double this speed. I called Electrify America and learned the charger had 204kW available but the ID4 would only accept 65-70 kW. What’s the deal? It takes 90 minutes to fully charge!

 

[IslandLarry]

90 minutes at 65 KW will charge your 77KWh battery from 0% to 126% in 90 minutes.
Maybe a little hyperbole here?

 

[sustainablebob]

90 minutes at 65 KW will charge your 77KWh battery from 0% to 126% in 90 minutes.
Maybe a little hyperbole here?

It charges more slowly after 80%

 

[sustainablebob]

It charges more slowly after 80%

And our battery is supposedly 82kW

 

[LongRoof]

What was your soc when you started charging and what always the temp ?

 

[DTDriver]

82kw but you only get 77kw "usable" charge. My anecdotal experience is that the # of vehicles charging at a given station has a lot of impact on total charge delivered. Same exact station & charger two weeks ago I saw 88kw starting at 25% SoC, temp around 40 deg F, empty station. Yesterday saw 78kw starting from 8% SoC (and a longer drive to heat the battery up to compensate for 30 deg F temp). It could be temp having an impact too but the station was completely full (all 4 chargers charging).

 

[AtoZ]

Hmmm. When I charge I am getting 164-180 kw during a charge. I have a 2023 AWD ID 4.
Good luck.

 

[KLS]

Hmmm. When I charge I am getting 164-180 kw during a charge. I have a 2023 AWD ID 4. Good luck.

We just purchased our 2023 ID4 and I’m shocked at how slow it charges at Electrify America. The charging rates I’m getting are 65-70 kW at normal temps. Every ID4 at these chargers seem about the same. Every other brand of EV charges at double this speed. I called Electrify America and learned the charger had 204kW available but the ID4 would only accept 65-70 kW. What’s the deal? It takes 90 minutes to fully charge!

I have a late 2022 with the "updated" software. It's been very slow, I took it to the dealer today. It took the dealer 90 min to charge it from SOC 36% to 80%. They said it was "in range" and also said I should write VW iD4 customer service (really - was the car not at a VW Dealer Service center?).

 

[KLS]

We just purchased our 2023 ID4 and I’m shocked at how slow it charges at Electrify America. The charging rates I’m getting are 65-70 kW at normal temps. Every ID4 at these chargers seem about the same. Every other brand of EV charges at double this speed. I called Electrify America and learned the charger had 204kW available but the ID4 would only accept 65-70 kW. What’s the deal? It takes 90 minutes to fully charge!

My 2022 ID4 is usually between 24-45 kW, and the temperature doesn't matter. I had the dealer check the car. They charged it from SOC 36% to 80%, it took 90 minutes and they said it was "within range." They also suggested that I notify VW ID4 customer line (really, it's a VW dealer?). When I pick up the car tomorrow morning, I'll be contact VW America and giving them two complaints, 1) about the charging time, and 2) that a dealer should be able to bring an EV up to spec.

 

[mcden]

Typically you need to be under 20% state of charge in order to hit the rated charging speeds. During the winter you are looking to charge 55kW city and 75-80kW when commuting and the pack is warm from about 30 minutes to an hour of driving.

 

[TidingSStables]

My 2022 ID4 is usually between 24-45 kW, and the temperature doesn't matter. I had the dealer check the car. They charged it from SOC 36% to 80%, it took 90 minutes and they said it was "within range." They also suggested that I notify VW ID4 customer line (really, it's a VW dealer?). When I pick up the car tomorrow morning, I'll be contact VW America and giving them two complaints, 1) about the charging time, and 2) that a dealer should be able to bring an EV up to spec.

That’s unacceptable. It’s advertise to charge from 20% to 80% in 30 minutes. You should take photos and videos in case the 3 letter word with the 2 to 3 partner last names and associates are required.

 

[GreyID4]

My 2022 ID4 is usually between 24-45 kW, and the temperature doesn't matter. I had the dealer check the car. They charged it from SOC 36% to 80%, it took 90 minutes and they said it was "within range." They also suggested that I notify VW ID4 customer line (really, it's a VW dealer?). When I pick up the car tomorrow morning, I'll be contact VW America and giving them two complaints, 1) about the charging time, and 2) that a dealer should be able to bring an EV up to spec.

Does your dealer have a DC fast charger?

 

[wildpitcher]

We just purchased our 2023 ID4 and I’m shocked at how slow it charges at Electrify America. The charging rates I’m getting are 65-70 kW at normal temps. Every ID4 at these chargers seem about the same. Every other brand of EV charges at double this speed. I called Electrify America and learned the charger had 204kW available but the ID4 would only accept 65-70 kW. What’s the deal? It takes 90 minutes to fully charge!

I am absolutely not seeing this with our 2023 ID.4.

My four DCFC sessions have all been in the 30 to 40 minute range. I charged today at EA and had a peak speed of 145kw and an average for the session of 100kw. The car charged from 19% to 80% in exactly 30 minutes at about 50 degree temperature.

Dave

 

[JSS328]

2022 Pro, build date August 2022, started at 19% after 56 mile drive. There were two other cars charging.

 

[Atlant]

We just purchased our 2023 ID4 and I’m shocked at how slow it charges at Electrify America. The charging rates I’m getting are 65-70 kW at normal temps. Every ID4 at these chargers seem about the same. Every other brand of EV charges at double this speed. I called Electrify America and learned the charger had 204kW available but the ID4 would only accept 65-70 kW. What’s the deal? It takes 90 minutes to fully charge!

In real world conditions, most users will find that the ID.4 charges at about 60 kW. This occurs because either: 1) the battery State-of-Charge when you arrive at the charger is 20% or more, or 2) the battery is cool when you arrive at the charger.

Some folks here will report much higher charge rates but that only occurs when the battery SoC is less than 20% and the battery is already quite warm. Most real-world ID.4 DCFC (Direct Current Fast-Charging) won't reach these rates.

 

[ericy]

In real world conditions, most users will find that the ID.4 charges at about 60 kW. This occurs because either: 1) the battery State-of-Charge when you arrive at the charger is 20% or more, or 2) the battery is cool when you arrive at the charger.

Some folks here will report much higher charge rates but that only occurs when the battery SoC is less than 20% and the battery is already quite warm. Most real-world ID.4 DCFC (Direct Current Fast-Charging) won't reach these rates.

Warm is a relative concept. I believe that about 70F is all the warmer it needs to be to get the higher charge rates. The real problem is that VW only partially preconditions the battery - bringing the temperature up to about 50F or so, but not all the way to 70F. The reports I have seen are that VW intends to finish this by tying it to the navigation, so if you are navigating to a DCFC that it will fully precondition the battery to accept the higher charge rates.

As for SOC, even 30 or 40% is still low enough to still get ~100kW or so - the curves I have seen posted show only a gradual rampdown of charge speed.

 

[Atlant]

I believe that about 70F is all the warmer it needs to be to get the higher charge rates. … As for SOC, even 30 or 40% is still low enough to still get ~100kW or so - the curves I have seen posted show only a gradual rampdown of charge speed.

I'm sorry but my one and only DCFC experience so far (documented in this forum) was a shirt-sleeves day with my SoC at 40% and I got almost-exactly 60 kW all the way back to 80% SoC.

Almost everyone who expects 125 kW DCFC charging rates on an ID.4 will be disappointed sooner or later.

 

[sustainablebob]

What was your soc when you started charging and what always the temp ?

I started at 48% capacity and the temp was 60 degrees. Of the 8 Electrify America chargers, there were 4 ID4s all charging at 65-70 kW and four other brands (Hyundai, Lucid, Polestar and Rivian) which were all charging at 132 kW+. Why the difference?

 

[SunWizard]

I started at 48% capacity and the temp was 60 degrees. Of the 8 Electrify America chargers, there were 4 ID4s all charging at 65-70 kW and four other brands (Hyundai, Lucid, Polestar and Rivian) which were all charging at 132 kW+. Why the difference?

They have pre-heating of the battery and VW does not yet. They plan to add it someday when they get OTA working in the US. Hyundai and Lucid have an 800V battery which can charge faster once its warmed up. Ambient temp is not what matters, its your battery temp which is usually near your overnight low. The normally fast Hyundai does very slow DCFC until it gets warmed up.

 

[GreyID4]

I started at 48% capacity and the temp was 60 degrees. Of the 8 Electrify America chargers, there were 4 ID4s all charging at 65-70 kW and four other brands (Hyundai, Lucid, Polestar and Rivian) which were all charging at 132 kW+. Why the difference?

If I saw what you saw, I would blame the car for the slow charging.
However, tracking down the cause for slowing charging is needlessly time taking process at the moment.
At a DC fast charger, your car tells the charger how much current it can receive. Let's call that X.
You can calculate roughly how much current is delivered. In your case, divide 70kW by 400 V = 175 A.

If X is greater than 175 amps, it is the charger,
If X is equal to 175 amps, it is the car.

It appears that the X is primarily calculated using the battery temperature and the starting SoC and probably other factors to less degree but we just don't know.

One way to increase the X is to increase the battery temperature. As SunWizard stated, some EV makers have this function. ID4 does not.

It would be great if the car showed what X is so we can determine where the slow charging problem is. But it doesn't and I don't know if VW has a plan to share this. For now, the only way to get this information is to buy a OBD2 dongle and a Car Scanner app, which is fun for some and too much trouble for others.