[gorj]

My Id.4 now has over 8000 miles. Overall the ID4 is a great car. Inexpensive to operate, wonderful ride, comfortable inside the cab, large cargo capacity, easy to drive, and looks pleasing. I just came off a 1000 mile cross country trip and had no issues finding EA charging stations. But in my opinion the ID4 has some irritating flaws. First of all many of the EA charging stations DO NOT work. Of the eight I used on the recent trip four of them had chargers that were not functioning. This causes delays in one's trip. The average time to charge is about 40 to 50 minutes (this includes finding a charger and plugging in) - longer if you have to find a charger that works! On this same trip the Car-Net failed to function for the last several days. It is still not working. Another annoying aspect of the ID4 is the unrelatability of its safety features. Often the warning light in the right mirror comes on when there is NO traffic in the right lane. Sometimes the lane departure and cruise control fail for a while and then function again. Most annoying is the fact that the overhead lights do not come on when opening the doors, unless the doors have been locked. The seat memory function fails to remember the seat back adjustment when setting itself. The navigation system is antiquated. There is no lighting for the heat/ac and volume controls. Fortunately, the voice commands can control those functions. There is no 12 volt outlet in the passenger area. I owned a Hyundai Ioniq for two years before selling it and purchasing the ID4. I had no little nagging issues with the Ioniq! I sometimes think that if I had known the Id4 was so quirky I would not have bought it. VW could have done better.

 

[P38wannabe]

These are all valid points, but I think in the end, it comes down to affordability and availability.
I can easily pick one up at the moment, not so much if I look for a 3 or Y, and don't even get me started with the Korean brands or Chevy. Then there is the full tax credit and free charging for 3 years, yeah, I put up with a few annoyances and save a lot of money. So far I have charged predominantly with EA with only minor issues, 8%- 80% only takes 25 isch minutes so really not that bad. It all comes down to priorities. For me the money-saving aspect of tax credit and free charging for 3 years was unbeatable as I am close to an EA charger and taking full advantage of it.

 

[MurrietaID4]

I just read in another post that the EU version of ID.4 has 'hill assist' / 'auto hold' when the car is stopped.

My ID.4 rolls backwards at stoplights here in Southern California as almost no road is flat.

Its unexpected for a modern vehicle to do this and I have to retrain myself to keep foot on brake and apply 'gas' so i dont roll into car behind me!!!

Why did they disable auto hold for USA??

 

[P38wannabe]

Not sure why, but from what I heard, the plugin and charge, and auto hold are part of the next OTA update.
I also would like to see one pedal driving added, it's mind-boggling to me why they at least not even gave us the option for it, but as I said I put up with this as overall the ID4 is a very good deal at the moment as long as you stick with the RWD Pro model, once you go the higher trim levels and add AWD, the Mustang MachE becomes very compelling.

 

[JimmyVW]

The EA issue can’t be blamed on the ID.4 imho. If you had bought an Ionic 5, EV 6, or Volvo XC40, you would have the exact same issues with broken chargers.
I see this as teething issues, for the charging infra to come to maturity.
The others are valid and annoying and I do hope they’ll get dealt with swiftly in the upcoming updates.

 

[Polyphonic]

Its unexpected for a modern vehicle to do this and I have to retrain myself to keep foot on brake and apply 'gas' so i dont roll into car behind me!!!

My e-tron does this. It becomes a real liability in hilly areas. I read a lot of posts on this forum and nobody mentioned it. That's a deal-breaker for us.

 

[JimmyVW]

Yeah it’s just weird and different behavior from what I’m used too. I never use auto-hold, and the car never really rolls back, it will always creep on me, upon release of the brake. Let that be forward or backward, hill or flat.
It can rock a bit when it goes backwards into a pothole (and you are driving backwards), but if you then leave it be, it will power through it eventually. And this is all without touching the go-pedal.
Guess this matches the video from ID.Furkan demonstrating the behavior on an incline.

 

[voxel]

These are all valid points, but I think in the end, it comes down to affordability and availability.
I can easily pick one up at the moment, not so much if I look for a 3 or Y, and don't even get me started with the Korean brands or Chevy. Then there is the full tax credit and free charging for 3 years, yeah, I put up with a few annoyances and save a lot of money. So far I have charged predominantly with EA with only minor issues, 8%- 80% only takes 25 isch minutes so really not that bad. It all comes down to priorities. For me the money-saving aspect of tax credit and free charging for 3 years was unbeatable as I am close to an EA charger and taking full advantage of it.

I question why folks are buying EVs to save money because EVs have the worst depreciation of all vehicles and that is the biggest cost to owning/leasing. The cost of gas savings can not make up for it either.

Don’t get me wrong I love EVs but financially I should have bought an Outback or RAV4 to save money.

 

[Huey52]

VW's Anti-Roll vs. Auto Hold ["Hill Hold"] response to member sethpo's query (roll/anti-roll mode mostly related to Neutral and auto car wash use):

"This is the response I got from VW Customer Care about the rolling back on an incline:

In terms of the vehicle rolling after removing your foot from the brake, when stopped on an incline, the ID.4 is not equipped with Hill Hold or Hill Assist so this may occur. I have detailed your concerns in our case notes, which will ensure they are available for review by the appropriate internal Volkswagen resources.

The roll mode you mentioned is strictly for when the vehicle is in Neutral. To activate roll mode:

• Confirm the Activate roll mode display in the Infotainment system or open the vehicle settings in the Infotainment system
• Open the Brakes submenu.
• Switch on the function. When roll mode is active, a persistent message will appear in the instrument cluster display. A warning chime will sound if necessary.

To end roll mode:

• Press the Park button. The electronic parking brake is switched on. Or you can end roll mode by turning off the vehicle (pressing the starter button).

If you feel the roll mode or any vehicle functionality is not working properly, I encourage you to have a VW dealer diagnosis completed."

I just read in another post that the EU version of ID.4 has 'hill assist' / 'auto hold' when the car is stopped.

My ID.4 rolls backwards at stoplights here in Southern California as almost no road is flat.

Its unexpected for a modern vehicle to do this and I have to retrain myself to keep foot on brake and apply 'gas' so i dont roll into car behind me!!!

Why did they disable auto hold for USA??

 

[JimmyVW]

VW's Anti-Roll vs. Auto Hold ["Hill Hold"] response to member sethpo's query (roll/anti-roll mode mostly related to Neutral and auto car wash use):

"This is the response I got from VW Customer Care about the rolling back on an incline:

In terms of the vehicle rolling after removing your foot from the brake, when stopped on an incline, the ID.4 is not equipped with Hill Hold or Hill Assist so this may occur. I have detailed your concerns in our case notes, which will ensure they are available for review by the appropriate internal Volkswagen resources.

The roll mode you mentioned is strictly for when the vehicle is in Neutral. To activate roll mode:

• Confirm the Activate roll mode display in the Infotainment system or open the vehicle settings in the Infotainment system
• Open the Brakes submenu.
• Switch on the function. When roll mode is active, a persistent message will appear in the instrument cluster display. A warning chime will sound if necessary.

To end roll mode:

• Press the Park button. The electronic parking brake is switched on. Or you can end roll mode by turning off the vehicle (pressing the starter button).

If you feel the roll mode or any vehicle functionality is not working properly, I encourage you to have a VW dealer diagnosis completed."

yeah and I don’t really agree with this, as this is more for preventing rolling forward down a hill, when you release the brake. Creeping back/forward up the hill is something the car already does in drive / reverse without auto hold. I can feel the car really applying extra power to keep creeping in the direction asked against the incline. So this seems to be a distinct difference between the US and EU firmware. Or possibly between some of the older and newer ID.4’s in the US.

 

[gorj]

These are all valid points, but I think in the end, it comes down to affordability and availability.
I can easily pick one up at the moment, not so much if I look for a 3 or Y, and don't even get me started with the Korean brands or Chevy. Then there is the full tax credit and free charging for 3 years, yeah, I put up with a few annoyances and save a lot of money. So far I have charged predominantly with EA with only minor issues, 8%- 80% only takes 25 isch minutes so really not that bad. It all comes down to priorities. For me the money-saving aspect of tax credit and free charging for 3 years was unbeatable as I am close to an EA charger and taking full advantage of it.

My point was to give new shoppers a heads up on what to expect. The fact there is an EA 10 minutes form me and the free charging were the determining factors for my purchase. I also failed to mention the weird door opening mechanisms and the fact that the car rolls forward or backwards on it own when not braking.

 

[blackout]

Currently driving a 6-speed so the rolling on hills will make for a smooth transition to the ID.4!

 

[Tinman]

Currently driving a 6-speed so the rolling on hills will make for a smooth transition to the ID.4!

I have never owned a vehicle without three pedals. It took me a while to figure out what these folks are talking about!

You'll enjoy the energy management of free-rolling in 'D'. Some driving modes do a light regen in 'D'. Make sure you find the free-rolling one. You can move to 'B' mode for regen while in motion similar to a downshift. IMHO, it beats the hell out of any automatic I have ever driven.

 

[Ben V]

I question why folks are buying EVs to save money because EVs have the worst depreciation of all vehicles and that is the biggest cost to owning/leasing. The cost of gas savings can not make up for it either.

Don’t get me wrong I love EVs but financially I should have bought an Outback or RAV4 to save money.

Depreciation isn't a real cost; it only matters when you sell your car. If you buy or lease new cars and replace them every 3 years you will always lose money. If you keep it for 10+ your cost is much lower. I'm switching from ICE to ID4 replacing a 12 year old car. My expectation is to have little to no costs the first few years especially with an EA charging station about 50 yards from my house.

 

[JimmyVW]

Yeah it’s just weird and different behavior from what I’m used too. I never use auto-hold, and the car never really rolls back, it will always creep on me, upon release of the brake. Let that be forward or backward, hill or flat.
It can rock a bit when it goes backwards into a pothole (and you are driving backwards), but if you then leave it be, it will power through it eventually. And this is all without touching the go-pedal.
Guess this matches the video from ID.Furkan demonstrating the behavior on an incline.

Ok, I’ve just spend 10 minutes on a hill testing it out, and think I understand it now. I’m really used to ease off the brake, slowly transitioning from brake to power. In that case the electro motor picks up the power needed to hold the car / get rolling. Holding the brake lightly so the car just barely sits without moving keeps the drive train engaged.

If I stomp on the brakes, sit there for a while and then abruptly let go, the car rolls a foot or so, before the motor picks up and compensates. Mind you this is all with autohold disabled.

Anyone who is regularly “suffering” from the lack of autohold, that can try if above method makes any difference to them?!

 

[EVone]

The average time to charge is about 40 to 50 minutes

How far do you charge ..20-80% .. 20%-100% , 0-70 %... ?

 

[Dana]

I too wish my Pro had hill hold. And I wish I received an e-mailed report each month on the status of each system and the individual tire pressures, like I did in my '17 Bolt. ( GM checks those systems over the air each month).
And I wish I wasn't getting so many ghost messages. (Actually I seem to be getting less lately with 10K miles on car).
Still, so far, my Pro is the best car I have ever owned. Contrast Pro with a '12 Honda CR-V that I owned that wanted to rollover any time a sudden input was given to the steering to avoid an accident or debris in the road. All SUV's are inherently unstable compared to dedicated BEV SUVs with their lower center of gravity. So even if ICE SUVs seem to be a better value, it's no contest in my view.

 

[FlashJ]

These are all valid points, but I think in the end, it comes down to affordability and availability.
I can easily pick one up at the moment, not so much if I look for a 3 or Y, and don't even get me started with the Korean brands or Chevy. Then there is the full tax credit and free charging for 3 years, yeah, I put up with a few annoyances and save a lot of money. So far I have charged predominantly with EA with only minor issues, 8%- 80% only takes 25 isch minutes so really not that bad. It all comes down to priorities. For me the money-saving aspect of tax credit and free charging for 3 years was unbeatable as I am close to an EA charger and taking full advantage of it.

Your car is charging faster than mine. It has never taken 20 minutes. The speeds are very slow. Is this a Car problem or a Charging Network problem. Since both branches are VW, they need to solve the problem quickly. Just spent 38 minutes getting 33 KW. Seriously! Far cry from 150 KW claimed speed!

 

[FlashJ]

The EA issue can’t be blamed on the ID.4 imho. If you had bought an Ionic 5, EV 6, or Volvo XC40, you would have the exact same issues with broken chargers.
I see this as teething issues, for the charging infra to come to maturity.
The others are valid and annoying and I do hope they’ll get dealt with swiftly in the upcoming updates.

EA is a VW company that they ncreatwed and invested in!

 

[txxthie]

Your car is charging faster than mine. It has never taken 20 minutes. The speeds are very slow. Is this a Car problem or a Charging Network problem. Since both branches are VW, they need to solve the problem quickly. Just spent 38 minutes getting 33 KW. Seriously! Far cry from 150 KW claimed speed!

125 kW is the max speed Level 3 currently for the ID 4. Kyle with "Out of Spec Reviews" on YouTube really breaks down how to maximize the charging speed on an ID 4. Charging curves vary with every EV and the ID 4 has a relatively flat charging curve. There is definitely a learning curve with EA chargers (i.e. hold up the charging handle till initializing screen changes to payment screen) compared to Tesla Superchargers. I can typically charge from 20%-85% in about 30-40 mins. The ID 4 usually drops down below 50kW at around 85% charge, that is very good. I shop at Walmart for groceries and the car is usually done charging when I come out. Yesterday I talked with a Chevy Spark owner who was on a 300 mile road trip. He gets 70 miles on a charge (80% charge) and has a 18kW battery vs 82kW in ID 4. He was so happy about not needing gas and the minimal maintenance that comes with an EV. His enthusiasm for his EV made me appreciate the ID 4 even more.