[lawler8088]

nah...just VW is not ready fror primetime....thats coming from a 2003 Westralia weekender owner
that just keeps running

 

[agzand]

My current estimate is NEVER. It was costing them too much, so they stopped the program.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

My current estimate is NEVER. It was costing them too much, so they stopped the program.

Yes, defending against the ensuing lawsuits regarding a faulty product - the original 12V battery not being sufficient - is a lot cheaper and more efficient.



Also updating all the cars in Europe - which is multiple times that which have been sold to the US - was doable because that also was significantly cheaper because of reasons.

 

[Spin]

My current estimate is NEVER. It was costing them too much, so they stopped the program.

It was suspended, not stopped. It will resume.

 

[Pascal]

It will happen in waves.
What's the point of updating all cars with the same errors every time.
It is better not to restart the updates until all errors have been corrected.

 

[McMark]

What's the point of updating all cars with the same errors every time.
It is better not to restart the updates until all errors have been corrected.

They already updated how many cars in Europe? And they're still this incompetent at updating from 2.1? Shouldn't they have learned there? VW is clueless with software.

 

[Katalase]

Just saw this and didn't see it added to any threads yet. Sorry if it's a dupe:

Volkswagen recalls almost 21,000 ID.4s for software fix

New software fixes the battery management and pulse inverter control modules.

arstechnica.com

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

They already updated how many cars in Europe?

First and second wave are done and 3.0 is now in wide distribution to everyone. When it comes available for a specific car is anyone's guess.

Anecdotally, the 'net is full of reports of 3.0 OTA.

And they're still this incompetent at updating from 2.1?

No one is updating from 2.1. First of all, Europe got 2.3 OTA years ago.

Second, here the new 12V battery and 2.4 are a mandatory step; there's no going from 2.3 to 3.0.

If you mean how many cars they have updated to 2.4 (including new 12V) and are ready for 3.0, the answer seems to be "everyone who booked a time to get it done".

 

[McMark]

First and second wave are done and 3.0 is now in wide distribution to everyone. When it comes available for a specific car is anyone's guess.

Anecdotally, the 'net is full of reports of 3.0 OTA.

No one is updating from 2.1. First of all, Europe got 2.3 OTA years ago.

Second, here the new 12V battery and 2.4 are a mandatory step; there's no going from 2.3 to 3.0.

If you mean how many cars they have updated to 2.4 (including new 12V) and are ready for 3.0, the answer seems to be "everyone who booked a time to get it done".

What I mean is that they update how many cars in Europe from 2.1 originally? So they have a ton of experience, supposedly, upgrading from 2.1 that happened in like 2021 right? And they are this inept at upgrading a much smaller number from 2.1? It's hilarious

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

What I mean is that they update how many cars in Europe from 2.1 originally? So they have a ton of experience, supposedly, upgrading from 2.1 that happened in like 2021 right?

I don't think the issue is the "from", it's the "to". Some of the older modules have been found to be tricky to update; the reason for needing it done in the shop. US was going straight to 3.1, I hear?

 

[Nai3t]

What I mean is that they update how many cars in Europe from 2.1 originally? So they have a ton of experience, supposedly, upgrading from 2.1 that happened in like 2021 right? And they are this inept at upgrading a much smaller number from 2.1? It's hilarious

If I recall correctly, European never got 2.1, I believe they went from 2.0 to 2.3 (except the ID.3, which I think started with 1.9).

Meanwhile, here in the US we never got 2.3 or 2.4, despite it being a production version for half a year.

So it would seem there was something software-specific between these two markets that there is this discontinuity between versions, and I would bet you it's based in regulations or licensing, not just marketing whims – because who in their right mind would willing opt for biforcated software?

It seems VW built themselves quite the Tetris challenge.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

If I recall correctly, European never got 2.1, --

I have not heard that it ever was available as an update (to ID.3), but on launch ID.4 was sold with 2.1.

There was just someone asking on local social media like "Heyy, are the updates happening or something, I seem to have read something?". That person was driving around with 2.1 and completely unaware of the 12V battery and 2.4 campaign.

Actually never heard of anyone having 2.0..?

 

[Nai3t]

I have not heard that it ever was available as an update (to ID.3), but on launch ID.4 was sold with 2.1.

There was just someone asking on local social media like "Heyy, are the updates happening or something, I seem to have read something?". That person was driving around with 2.1 and completely unaware of the 12V battery and 2.4 campaign.

Actually never heard of anyone having 2.0..?

Huh, my recollection was you guys launched with 2.0 while US 1st Editions sat at port waiting for 2.1 updates before shipping out to dealerships. But if you had 2.1, then I'm clearly wrong. Maybe I'm confusing it with Chris from Battery Life and his ID.3?

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Huh, my recollection was you guys launched with 2.0 --

I am piecing stuff together from what I read, I was not even peripherally aware of this back then, but I have seen several mentions of ID.4 getting updated specifically from 2.1 to 2.3 via OTA, and a few users stating that they are still on 2.1 as they missed the email about signing up for 2.3 way back then etc.

I have never seen anyone saying that they currently have 2.0 or that they went from 2.0 to 2.3; it's always from 2.1. I can't find anything one way or the other with what the ID.4 was launched with.