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We don't know about 3.0 features - nobody has had one that they could do exhaustive testing. A few cosmetic things are apparent, but there is surely more than that.
My assumption is that VW have binned all the crappy code written by the outsourcing companies and that 3.0 is a full rewrite. Hence the super-long time between updates…
 

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I don't think so.

VW has been saying they want a partner or investor for Cariad.

Cariad has already formed a joint venture with Continental's software subsidiary Elektrobit called e.solutions (not sure if it's still active — this was leading up to the ID.3).

The article you linked reiterates that VW sees software as an important foundation block so it seems likely any outside interests coming in would be there as support to meet that goal.

In any case, any changes probably wouldn't affect current MEB vehicles as VW has shown in presentations they're already looking two platforms ahead by 2025/26, with different software. We're already old tech.
 

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My assumption is that VW have binned all the crappy code written by the outsourcing companies and that 3.0 is a full rewrite. Hence the super-long time between updates…
Seems very plausible: as far as I remember, it was a year ago they stated that all software development had to come in-house.
 

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One big question mark on all of this of course is what's happening internally at VW.

We've been hearing all this info about Diess being on the outs and about disagreements about electrification plans and pace. But this software angle, it doesn't get much press, and it's a high-dollar investment. Is it getting tossed around too? I'd believe it if there are some strong countering opinions internally causing strife. Software is clearly of major corporate importance as it delayed the ID.3 significantly and its development seems to be progressing more slowly than planned.

That is to say, there could be a major software strategy reshuffling at hand. But you'd think we'd hear about it.
 

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One big question mark on all of this of course is what's happening internally at VW.

We've been hearing all this info about Diess being on the outs and about disagreements about electrification plans and pace. But this software angle, it doesn't get much press, and it's a high-dollar investment. Is it getting tossed around too? I'd believe it if there are some strong countering opinions internally causing strife. Software is clearly of major corporate importance as it delayed the ID.3 significantly and its development seems to be progressing more slowly than planned.

That is to say, there could be a major software strategy reshuffling at hand. But you'd think we'd hear about it.
I can speak in generalities as I have heard discussions about the automotive sector in general. But as time has gone on, the software gets more and more complex, and the interrelationships get more involved. So managing the complexity is one of the big challenges.

In an ideal world, any interface between two components would be completely and unambiguously specified. But in the real world, there are ambiguities, and any misinterpretation leaves room for bugs. To top it off, in modern cars the software is constantly changing, which may mean that the specifications change, and this can invalidate software on both sides of the interface, and at a minimum it could invalidate a whole bunch of Q/A.

Keeping track of all of this is one of the challenges for automakers. If your development systems can help you keep track of the interrelationships, in theory it can make it possible to prevent the introduction of regressions, and get software out sooner.
 

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That's a salient point! The reality is that VW and all other auto manufacturers will continue to rely of vendors to design and build complex systems for braking, "vision," battery management, etc., and by necessity these complex systems are software driven and use software interfaces. So this could be ensuring VW has a seat at the engineers' table, and they are intimately influential or even controlling in the system's design.
 

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As a practicing software engineer my money is on an established car company learning how to do decent code vs. a software company learning how to build cars. At the end of the day you're riding around in a mechanical machine - not some sort of software simulation.
Well a few months ago at the IAA Mobility Conference in Germany, VWAG CEO, Herbert Diess introduced the three major VW brand chief executives and they all very plainly said up on the stage "We are a SOFTWARE company."
Check it out:
 

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Well a few months ago at the IAA Mobility Conference in Germany, VWAG CEO, Herbert Diess introduced the three major VW brand chief executives and they all very plainly said up on the stage "We are a SOFTWARE company."
Check it out:
They will be at least - some way to go still, but I am very pleased both with their Way to Zero Strategy overall and their vehement efforts to vertically integrate their software development across the group.
 

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I like the trip meter on the binnacle. That's nice. I'm guessing they are polishing now to try and convince people that it was 'worth the wait'. Pretty sure the climate in your panel is already there, as is the ability to turn ACC on and off without resetting the system (at least in the US on the ID.4)

I wouldn't bet that they binned anything, unfortunately. Did it take them longer to insource, setup the toolchains, etc. to compile the code, build a complete software development team and lab, etc. etc. Yeah, probably longer than they wanted. But we are 'stuck' with this software baseline and there is no going back.

The ASOP version of Android Auto will be on a future platform and/or installed that way from the factory new. But it won't be an in-place upgrade. Never has been with VW/Audi, and I don't think that will start now, unfortunately.

BTW, switching to ASOP AA largely means that we could still see all the same 'end user-facing stuff'. VW owns their own mapping service with the HERE consortium, etc. etc. So it's highly possible they just port all the existing apps to run on Android and call it a day. It might 'feel' faster underneath, but not much will change if that's the case.

Still want AirPlay so I can send a movie from my phone to the screen while I'm charging.
 

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I like the trip meter on the binnacle. That's nice. I'm guessing they are polishing now to try and convince people that it was 'worth the wait'. Pretty sure the climate in your panel is already there, as is the ability to turn ACC on and off without resetting the system (at least in the US on the ID.4)

I wouldn't bet that they binned anything, unfortunately. Did it take them longer to insource, setup the toolchains, etc. to compile the code, build a complete software development team and lab, etc. etc. Yeah, probably longer than they wanted. But we are 'stuck' with this software baseline and there is no going back.

The ASOP version of Android Auto will be on a future platform and/or installed that way from the factory new. But it won't be an in-place upgrade. Never has been with VW/Audi, and I don't think that will start now, unfortunately.

BTW, switching to ASOP AA largely means that we could still see all the same 'end user-facing stuff'. VW owns their own mapping service with the HERE consortium, etc. etc. So it's highly possible they just port all the existing apps to run on Android and call it a day. It might 'feel' faster underneath, but not much will change if that's the case.

Still want AirPlay so I can send a movie from my phone to the screen while I'm charging.
Chris, also detailed the 3.0 update which seems to add some big features.
 

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Yeah. I think the biggest one there for most people is the fix of charging schedules. I don't use it myself, at least not at the moment. I think for me, honestly, the biggest change in 3.0 is the addition of the SOC % to the binnicle. LOL He doesn't review the radio stuff, but I'm also hoping they've tweaked the features there a bit as well. For instance, right now you can't even see a running list of all the stations available in your free XM Radio subscription. That's not criminal, but it really sucks.

If they addressed any speed issues, that will be a bonus as well.

Chris, also detailed the 3.0 update which seems to add some big features.
 

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Chris, also detailed the 3.0 update which seems to add some big features.
Here's the thread highlighting all of the 3.0 changes Chris identified in his previous video. I believe we can safely assume that all of that stuff rolls into 3.1.

 

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he also did a charging comparison between 2.3 and 3 software.
All of this sounds great, BUT we really need to hear something from Volkswagen of Americas about when this will actually happen to the cars they have already sold. I gotta add I just did another trip this week and can honestly say that Plug and Charge will be much appreciated by those of us that had to Plug, Pray, and fiddle with our phones in the rain while stopping for charging session this week. Not even going to get started on the state of EA charging stations.

Just musing here, but I wonder if the upgraded Tesla Supercharger CCS sites will do Plug and Charge for us.

Elon save us!
 

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My salesman/EV specialist just confirmed that the new vehicles he's expecting won't be released until the latest software is available (many on port hold for s/w, as were our FE's over a year ago). He then expects a regular supply of his allotment from that point forward.

The owner update will be at the same time and as we know will be in-dealership via plug-in connection.

No date provided but his sense is "soon" ('course that could be July/August soon).

As you would expect with high gasoline prices he's getting a lot of calls so as frustrated as everyone.

So no new news, but at least confirmed news.
 
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