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Taking off momentarily

903 views 19 replies 8 participants last post by  mackDBFL  
#1 ·
We are required to announce our departure, right? 😉 I usually find it valuable to read why others decide to move on from their rides so here goes.

[TLDR: Overall, owning the id4 has been a ‘good’ (but not great) experience. It was fine in the city with decent roads, local service, and more charging options, but it’s not the right vehicle for me here in no-mans-land.]

I love driving it on good roads, the suspension is firm and steering is tight. I love Travel Assist! The headlights are A++ especially after activating the matrix feature. The A/C is ice cold no matter how hot outside, even during L3 charging. There are a lot of things to love about the id4, including some pure VW weirdness (features, not bugs).

Documented extensively on this forum are gripes about the car, some of which I share. I won’t miss the lack of physical switch gear and non-intuitive capacitive switch design. I don’t mind learning new routines and adapting to a new vehicle but the id4 controls often leave me with, “this should be easier.” A number of things I had to tighten, trim, realign, or snap into place when I got the vehicle, quality control could be better.

The main reason for getting rid of the car is my location. I live in the dead center of the Oklahoma panhandle. While there is L3 charging in my hometown, it is sparse in any direction, a minimum of 120-160 miles. I typically drive 70-75 mph highway speed, so winter road trips require 100% charge before leaving home, hit the first (and only) available charger, and HOPE it is functional and putting out more than 30 kW because it might be another 100+ mi. to the next one. The advertised 255 mi. range may be possible in ideal conditions but I often see half that in real world winter highway use.

And that firm suspension was great on good roads in Florida where I bought the car, but it is punishing here on the crap surfaces I have to drive.

Then there is VW dealer/service. The closest is 120 miles away, second closest is 240 miles away, and neither have inspired confidence. There is no dropping the car off and picking it up the next day at that distance. Now out of warranty, it’s a minimum of 1 week out of pocket rental (+Uber to/from the rental) anytime I have service done.

The id4 has never left me stranded (a plus!), but it’s been in the shop more than any vehicle I’ve owned. When the current ‘clunk in the trunk’ problem is resolved I’ll sell it outright. I had hoped to keep it as long as I could, like my ’98 Jetta TDI. For what it’s worth, that Jetta had far less unscheduled maintenance (and squeaks and rattles) at 160K miles than this car has at 60K.

This weekend I dropped it off at the dealership again (fourth visit for the same issue) and bought a low mileage used Lincoln Corsair PHEV. Is a 28 mi EV range PHEV ideal in the grand scheme of electrification? No but for my use it will handle my daily work commute and errands in EV mode. I drove it home all the way across Kansas on one of the many EV desert routes that would have been impossible with the id4.

My other half’s car is a Mach E (which has been flawless so far, btw), and I’m sure I’ll be back in a full EV someday. For now we’ll enjoy having a vehicle to use for trips without the constant calculation of routes and ranges.
 
#5 · (Edited)
The id4 has never left me stranded (a plus!), but it’s been in the shop more than any vehicle I’ve owned. When the current ‘clunk in the trunk’ problem is resolved I’ll sell it outright. I had hoped to keep it as long as I could, like my ’98 Jetta TDI. For what it’s worth, that Jetta had far less unscheduled maintenance (and squeaks and rattles) at 160K miles than this car has at 60K.
That was the “breaking strain” for me. I get rid of cars when I can no longer depend upon them to get me where I need to go and when the dealer told me that my ID.4's latest breakdown meant it would need to spend a month waiting undriveable for the dealer to get around to working on it (because I didn't have the good sense to schedule the breakdown a month ahead with them), I dropped the car off in their lot and told them to keep it They could fix it and send me a check for it.

(Even if I would tolerate driving such an unreliable car, my wife certainly won't; from the day we first brought the car home and it broke down in our driveway with her in the driver's seat, she refused to drive the car except in emergencies.)

The ID.4 was, BY FAR, the least reliable car I've ever owned and I was (and still am) very glad to see it gone.
 
#7 ·
The ID.4 was, BY FAR, the least reliable car I've ever owned and I was (and still am) very glad to see it gone.
The ID.5 is, by a small margin (as I’ve owned only one car before this, strictly speaking), the most reliable car I’ve ever owned. I have had zero issues that prevented driving it, and all warranty issues have been one-day visits with the exception of the one time the mechanic actually broke my mirror and I needed to leave the car overnight, with a courtesy car at my disposal. And I will probably have mixed feelings to see it gone in 18 months as on one hand I’d love to buy it out after the lease ends, on the other VW is coming out with the new ID.4 before that and I am itching to try out the Smart #5 by Mercedes/Geely.
 
#8 ·
I think maybe part of the issue is that with a conventional car, most failures take effect gradually. The water pump starts leaking, or the lights get dim, or a weird noise comes from the engine, or the transmission starts slipping. That gives you some warning and a chance to take it to the dealer before it completely fails.

Maybe in an EV if you monitor the right variables with Car Scanner you might get similar information about a gradual failure. Or maybe a fundamental characteristic of electronic parts is that they are extremely reliable until they suddenly break without warning.
 
#10 ·
Or maybe a fundamental characteristic of electronic parts is that they are extremely reliable until they suddenly break without warning.
Or they fail intermittently and randomly, making it near impossible to pinpoint.

To be fair, my current issue is very much a mechanical problem that has gotten worse over time. They just don't seem very interested in fixing it. When I left with the vehicle the previous time, I said (to the service advisor) "I guess I'll drive it until something catastrophically fails?" I got a shrug.
 
#17 ·
There really aren’t many people in most of those places where there aren’t chargers
True, but they need vehicles. My point is battery only isn’t their best choice there.

… and you can travel through them if you’re careful, which is the same advice I give if you had a gas powered car. Don’t stay too far from the interstate!
That’s one way to travel but I’m far from the only one who’s traveled only the backroads on a 2 or 3 gallon motorcycle. There’s almost always a gas pump in every small town. It’ll be a long time before you can say that about chargers.
 
#18 ·
True, but they need vehicles. My point is battery only isn’t their best choice there.


That’s one way to travel but I’m far from the only one who’s traveled only the backroads on a 2 or 3 gallon motorcycle. There’s almost always a gas pump in every small town. It’ll be a long time before you can say that about chargers.
I was making a joke… not about refueling infrastructure! Think banjo music…