Had vehicle for 3 months now and highway range, at 70mph and above, is simply awful ... not really getting 200 miles when outside temperature is 75 degrees. I can't imagine what it's going to be like in winter. Also, the touchscreen is glitchy and very slow to respond ... similar to using a dial up modem compared to broad band. VW and the dealership have been absolutely zero help. I suppose this is what you get for a $38,000 car (applying tax credit) and the first EV version from a gas car manufacturer. The lesson learned I suppose is buck up and buy a Tesla.
Terrible Battery Range and Slow Response on Infotainment System?
-
Add Yours: VW ID. Buzz Owner's Registry
1 - 20 of 47 Posts
What is your mi/kWh?
80% or 100%?
Inside EV ended up with 230 miles from their 70 MPH range test.
I don't think the half baked infotainment system is a product of the ID.4 being electric, which, if you're counting, is their 3rd electric offering. But I suppose the ID.3 and. 4 need to be counted together for this purpose.
insideevs.com
Inside EV ended up with 230 miles from their 70 MPH range test.
I don't think the half baked infotainment system is a product of the ID.4 being electric, which, if you're counting, is their 3rd electric offering. But I suppose the ID.3 and. 4 need to be counted together for this purpose.
Volkswagen ID.4 Pro 70-MPH Highway Range Test
Kyle fully charges a 2021 Volkswagen ID.4 Pro and drives it at a constant 70-mph to see how far the all-electric SUV can go in the InsideEVs highway range test.
insideevs.com
Joined
·
40 Posts
Thats about right, I got about 180 miles at 85 ish.
Joined
·
40 Posts
Joined
·
2,318 Posts
I don't think there is any EV that gets anywhere close to the mileage estimate 'at 70MPH and above', not even Tesla. The range estimate is a blended city/highway weighting, which I believe is 70%/30% respectively. Wind resistance becomes the biggest impediment at higher speeds, just ask Chuck Yeager. 
I think it is really important for EV drivers to realize how quickly their range is affected above 70 mph. At steady 70 you can expect the InsideEV range, at 72 mph you notice a difference downward, and at 75 mph you will definitely get much less range. Higher than that it gets progressively worse. Just laws of physics as you push through the air ...
That's not VW's fault, it is true for any vehicle with any drivetrain, although vehicles with lower Cd will fare slightly better.
That's not VW's fault, it is true for any vehicle with any drivetrain, although vehicles with lower Cd will fare slightly better.
Joined
·
1,589 Posts
Joined
·
2,592 Posts
Well, buck up and buy a Tesla then!
Go watch
Kyle Connor of the Out of Specs Motoring on ID.4 reviews
Bjorn Nyland on the ID.4 range test
7S POWER
Joined
·
2,318 Posts
That's just the highway estimate is it not? The total estimated ranged is a mixed test of highway and city tests:
How Does The EPA Calculate Electric Car Range? | CleanTechnica
Joined
·
2,318 Posts
Using Bjorn's data though, I'm not sure the Model Y LR does ALL that much better than the VW does. It's better to be clear, but it's not THAT much better.
VW:
Tesla Model Y LR:
Granted the ID4 here was running on 20 inchers vs 18's for the Tesla, so that probalby ate 8-12 miles out of the VW range. And the Tesla has a better coefficient of drag that is going to show up in the higher speed numbers do to the 'reduced' air drag.
But at '55' (aka 90 kph), the difference is 15 miles more on the Tesla. The VW exceeds it's estimated range, while the Tesla is well short of theirs (250ish vs 320 ish)
At '75' (aka 120 kph), the difference grows to 28 miles more for the Tesla. Both are well short of the EPA range.
So if 28 miles at 75 is what breaks it for you, then yeah, buy a Tesla. If you were looking for 400 mile range like I get in my Audi Q5 on a full tank of gas, then we aren't there yet. Lucid is the closest, but they are yet to be driven and tested in the real world.
Edit: adding link to the spreadsheet with the above info TB test results - Google Sheets
Bjorn somehow got better range on the ID.4 AWD as well, which came out closer to what Kyle and team measured:
Joined
·
40 Posts
As long as you can drive at 85 for about two hours, were good. ( we can) I stop more often than that in my ice car just for breaks. I actually do better road trip times in my id.4 because I tend to push stops out to charging stations only, so it evens out.
Also it is such a quiet smooth ride, best road trip car for the money hands down.
Also it is such a quiet smooth ride, best road trip car for the money hands down.
Joined
·
1,589 Posts
Right, they quote several numbers. The point is that the EPA definition of "highway" is more like "two lane road in the countryside." Not the 80+ MPH experienced on Interstates.
And the aerodynamic drag increases roughly as the square of the speed, so 80 MPH is a HUGE increase in drag compared to the 50 - 60 MPH used by the EPA. The EPA numbers are valuable for comparing between cars, but not for defining what you will actually experience.
Joined
·
2,318 Posts
Ah, cool. Yeah, we were saying the same thing.
Joined
·
106 Posts
As a previous Chevy Bolt owner, it gets about the same range as a 3 year old Chevy Bolt gets.
But the ID.4 is really big and has big tires. My Bolt was a tin can.
So, no increase in range compared to a used Bolt, but the car is a beast. I just hope im not plagued by the battery coolant pump problem.
But the ID.4 is really big and has big tires. My Bolt was a tin can.
So, no increase in range compared to a used Bolt, but the car is a beast. I just hope im not plagued by the battery coolant pump problem.
Car & Driver tested 12 EV's for advertised EV range vs what they actually got road testing them, and as luck would have it, they used 75 mph and not 70. They didn't test the ID.4, but they did test the Audi eTron, which is pretty darned close to our VW's in most regards
. . . . and, the Audi beat them all and beat the socks off the Tesla models, so if the OP is going to trade in his VW for a Tesla to get better high speed efficiency, he'd be jumping out of the frying pan and into the FIRE
5 guys can drive the same EV and the difference they each get in range can vary all over the place. You can make any EV a terrible performer without trying very hard, or, you can learn to hypermile it and get lots more range than most other guys. Much of how far any EV will go on a charge is up to the driver
![Rectangle Font Parallel Poster Number]()
Don
. . . . and, the Audi beat them all and beat the socks off the Tesla models, so if the OP is going to trade in his VW for a Tesla to get better high speed efficiency, he'd be jumping out of the frying pan and into the FIRE
5 guys can drive the same EV and the difference they each get in range can vary all over the place. You can make any EV a terrible performer without trying very hard, or, you can learn to hypermile it and get lots more range than most other guys. Much of how far any EV will go on a charge is up to the driver
Don
I did a road trip with 3 passengers (including driver) this past weekend. The temperature was in the 70s. I charged to 94% in the hotel, drove about 200 miles combined freeway (70 mph) and highway with some elevations gain/drop and a bit of city, multiple stops, used AC continuously when driving and during some shorter stops. When I got home after 200 miles I had about 70 miles range left while the last 120 mile or so was freeway driving. If you want long range you need to slow down to 70 mph, otherwise just floor it at 80mph and charge every 150 miles. I got 3.7 mile/kWh combined. It is not outstanding but it is reasonable for a 4700 lb SUV. Yes, a Model Y on 19 inch wheels will do about 30 mile more, hardly a game changer. A Model Y performance will do a bit worse than iD4, is it a shit car? People are paying $70k for one of those. Model X is Tesla's most expensive car and it will do a bit worse than iD4. You cannot change the laws of physics.
Joined
·
4,488 Posts
If you did any research about EV....
77 kWh available will give you more than EPA running 65 mph and just A/C.
If you running heater depending on the outside temperature it will use 7-9+ Kwh on 3 hours of driving.
By default A/C system will use heater and A/C ....when there is humidity to deal with or you left unnecessary windshield air flow.
Switch whenever possible off A/C when running heater.
So do the math.
Tesla will not help you there unless you go on 100+ Kwh battery...because heavy foot and speeds above 70 MPH will cut efficiency on any car EV or ICE.
You will need to change habits and learn how to make EV preform at peak efficiency when driving in winter conditions. ...
Going high speeds there is no solutions besides spending more time at charging.
I personally don't have issues even with 2.7 miles per KWh in the most extreme weather conditions...running heater
77 kWh available will give you more than EPA running 65 mph and just A/C.
If you running heater depending on the outside temperature it will use 7-9+ Kwh on 3 hours of driving.
By default A/C system will use heater and A/C ....when there is humidity to deal with or you left unnecessary windshield air flow.
Switch whenever possible off A/C when running heater.
So do the math.
Tesla will not help you there unless you go on 100+ Kwh battery...because heavy foot and speeds above 70 MPH will cut efficiency on any car EV or ICE.
You will need to change habits and learn how to make EV preform at peak efficiency when driving in winter conditions. ...
Going high speeds there is no solutions besides spending more time at charging.
I personally don't have issues even with 2.7 miles per KWh in the most extreme weather conditions...running heater
You very badly need the ID. Software 2.3 upgrade: it removes all glitches and all significant lag in the infotainment screen.
Joined
·
105 Posts
Bolt Owner here... The BIG Difference though (other than comfort/quality of materials) is Charging Speeds.. Bolt 50kW ..the ID 4 is 125kW . !! Which makes the ID 4 a far better road tripper
1 - 20 of 47 Posts
