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Tesla 7000 tax credit: model y or ID4

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Matt

Discussion Starter · Feb 14, 2021

Read news: Tesla may get new 7000 federal tax credit. If it happens, how about the model y vs. ID4?

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Doctor Zaius

· #2 · Feb 14, 2021 (Edited)

It made me take another look at the Model Y, but at the end of the day the ID4 has more features that I want: sunshade for the glass roof, better looking car, rear windows roll all the way down for my dogs (they don’t on the Y), rear-cross-traffic alerts, better suspension (smoother ride), better soundproofing (quieter), Apple CarPlay. Tesla in general has more advanced software, but I think true self driving is still years away even for Tesla, and they charge a lot for it. Their UI is better, as well, but it seems the ID4 UI is improving and should be plenty good. And some of Tesla’s software - while great in many respects- is worse than Apple CarPlay in some important ways. I also like some manual buttons in the ID4 for certain things. Tesla’s minimalism is goood, but goes a bit too far in my opinion. Tesla has better range, but I think it’s overstated (though true that it’s better than the ID4). And although the Y has better acceleration, the ID4 will be a huge improvement vs what I have now and will be plenty good enough.

The better range of the Model Y is the only thing that gives me hesitation. On balance I find the ID4 to be a better overall vehicle, so I will probably stick with the decision. I’m not a big road trip guy, but if I was, the Supercharger network would also be an advantage for Tesla.

Edit: also, the Model Y is 2.7 inches wider than the ID4. It's a subtle thing, but makes a real difference when trying to park in a tight spot and then open your doors... or even just a regular spot. One of my hesitations on the Y was that it was a pretty wide-body vehicle, relatively speaking.

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asamuel302

· #3 · Feb 14, 2021

I agree. I don't think that I will buy a Tesla any time soon. It's sad because I really want one. But I don't like Tesla as a company. I read on the Tesla forums all the time about people posting about going to pick up their new Model Y and hoping that they don't have to refuse it because of QC issues. I admit that no car is perfect, but the type of problems that these cars have makes me want to steer clear of them. My main issue with the MY is the lack of Sirius XM. I love it and I've had it for over 10 years. It's a simple add-on and Tesla refuses to make it available. I also don't want to live without Android Auto. I love this as well. The only thing that is going to stop me from buying the ID.4, is if the Audi (AWD) version becomes available before the AWD versions hit dealerships

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ixlr08

· #4 · Feb 14, 2021

Between the reported quality issues, reports of hard to get/find parts, distance to the nearest Tesla service center, I don't see myself ever owning a Tesla. I know VW's have their issues, I have had several since 2002. But at this point I know the sort of issues a VW will have, it is the devil you know vs the devil you don't.

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Melodiacoffee

· #5 · Feb 14, 2021

Matt said:
Read news: Tesla may get new 7000 federal tax credit. If it happens, how about the model y vs. ID4?

I looked at this exact question for a while. I had to ask myself to put aside the financial issue, which one fits me best. I have driven the model Y, it was very good. But if the ID4 can drive as good then the other features that Tesla does not have makes the ID4 a winner for me. Not to mention free electricity for 3 years. That adds up. Could be a 3,000 savings there. things like apple play, screen covering sun roof, built in roof rack rails and trailer hitch, easy access things like mirrors and glove box, simple things like a built in cover for the back hatch, handles for each passenger, interior lighting, Tesla has virtually none, the ability to coast! Tesla only uses regeneration on the accelerator peddle. You press the brakes and break pads are engaged. With the ID4 you can chose to use the acceleration pedal to increase regeneration and when you press the brakes it blends in a more efficient regen And adds friction braking as needed. Coasting is more effective then trying to put energy back into the car. the only thing that will be missed is brake hold. Right nor ID4 does not allow you to stop at a stop light without keeping your foot on the brake. It has artificial crawl, weather you l8ke it or not. Really hope they change that, it is a simple software update. Most high end cars have it.. ok rambling......

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Melodiacoffee

· #6 · Feb 14, 2021

Matt said:
Read news: Tesla may get new 7000 federal tax credit. If it happens, how about the model y vs. ID4?

One more thing ;-). Check your insurance on a tesla. Could be double that of the ID4. Largely because Tesla s are incredibly expensive to repair and parts are hard to get. that alone can eat up that 7k over 5 years.

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asamuel302

· #7 · Feb 14, 2021

Melodiacoffee said:
I looked at this exact question for a while. I had to ask myself to put aside the financial issue, which one fits me best. I have driven the model Y, it was very good. But if the ID4 can drive as good then the other features that Tesla does not have makes the ID4 a winner for me. Not to mention free electricity for 3 years. That adds up. Could be a 3,000 savings there. things like apple play, screen covering sun roof, built in roof rack rails and trailer hitch, easy access things like mirrors and glove box, simple things like a built in cover for the back hatch, handles for each passenger, interior lighting, Tesla has virtually none, the ability to coast! Tesla only uses regeneration on the accelerator peddle. You press the brakes and break pads are engaged. With the ID4 you can chose to use the acceleration pedal to increase regeneration and when you press the brakes it blends in a more efficient regen And adds friction braking as needed. Coasting is more effective then trying to put energy back into the car. the only thing that will be missed is brake hold. Right nor ID4 does not allow you to stop at a stop light without keeping your foot on the brake. It has artificial crawl, weather you l8ke it or not. Really hope they change that, it is a simple software update. Most high end cars have it.. ok rambling......

I saw a video on YouTube that shows a new software update and it does have the option to turn off creep mode. I hope that they give you the option to do one pedal driving.

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Geo

· #8 · Feb 14, 2021

Doctor Zaius said:
The better range of the Model Y is the only thing that gives me hesitation.

The Model Y Standard Range, which is priced about the same as the ID.4, has a 230 mile EPA range. The ID.4 has 250 miles.

The more expensive Teslas have better range, but they're about $10K more.

Matt

Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 14, 2021

I am kind of bias ID4 too. Just have concern of the VW software quality in a daily use. Other than that, I believe ID4 is a better built vehicle.

ChristophW

· #10 · Feb 14, 2021

For an apples to apples comparison price wise you have to look at MY RWD SR and ID.4 FE or Pro S. You definitely get more features from VW and more range. As pointed out above, insurance and repair cost favor VW too. I love the clean look of the MY and Teslas in general, and really look forward to see the ID.4 up close. I think I’ll prefer the ID.4.

One could say that the supercharger network makes up for the 20 miles less range of the MY. And then there’s Tesla’s proven track record with software and updates.

I personally don’t care about acceleration, nor do I care for one pedal driving.

All told, I’m happy for EVs in general if Tesla and GM get the tax credit back, but it won’t change my mind.
Maybe one of my kids will get a MY, then you can occasionally enjoy it too...

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bjhegstad

· #11 · Feb 14, 2021

Matt said:
I am kind of bias ID4 too. Just have concern of the VW software quality in a daily use. Other than that, I believe ID4 is a better built vehicle.

I'd like to think the software will improve, and updates will happen

RocketVol

· #12 · Feb 14, 2021

ChristophW said:
For an apples to apples comparison price wise you have to look at MY RWD SR and ID.4 FE or Pro S. You definitely get more features from VW and more range. As pointed out above, insurance and repair cost favor VW too. I love the clean look of the MY and Teslas in general, and really look forward to see the ID.4 up close. I think I’ll prefer the ID.4.

One could say that the supercharger network makes up for the 20 miles less range of the MY. And then there’s Tesla’s proven track record with software and updates.

I personally don’t care about acceleration, nor do I care for one pedal driving.

All told, I’m happy for EVs in general if Tesla and GM get the tax credit back, but it won’t change my mind.
Maybe one of my kids will get a MY, then you can occasionally enjoy it too...

I read an interesting article on Electrify America and believe that pretty soon they will catch or get close to the number of super chargers. ELECTRIC VEHICLES: How Volkswagen turned from diesel pariah into electric gorilla -- Thursday, January 3, 2019 -- www.eenews.net

From the Tesla website they say that there are 1,101 stations in North America. Right now Electrify America has about 500 on the way to 800 soon, and they are dropping several hundreds more on 30 month cycles and will have to keep doing that until 2027 per the dieselgate terms. I am not too worried about not having chargers on trips and it will only get better.

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ericy

· #13 · Feb 14, 2021

RocketVol said:
I read an interesting article on Electrify America and believe that pretty soon they will catch or get close to the number of super chargers. ELECTRIC VEHICLES: How Volkswagen turned from diesel pariah into electric gorilla -- Thursday, January 3, 2019 -- www.eenews.net

For Tesla, SuperChargers are really the only game in town. Some people might have the Chademo adapter - I ran into one when I was using a free 50kW ChargePoint, but you will only encounter such people at the free chargers.

Keep in mind that EA isn't the only game in town - EA seems to have focused on urban areas and interstate highways. But there are other networked chargers out there aside from EA. People buying the ID.4 may well choose EA just because it is included with the price of the vehicle. But the reality is that something like 80% of the charging just takes place at home.

The 50kW chargers are a bit on the slow side, but still adequate to get you charged up and on your way. I can't say that I have ever been so desperate to need to try a 24kW charger.

FredT

· #14 · Feb 14, 2021

Matt said:
Read news: Tesla may get new 7000 federal tax credit. If it happens, how about the model y vs. ID4?

For me, no Tesla, not ever, not at any price.

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ted99

· #15 · Feb 14, 2021

Actually, though I don't see myself with a M Y, I may buy the Truck when the RWD version comes up at $40K (lol).

CascadiaID4

· #16 · Feb 14, 2021

Excellent discussion, thanks for the posts. I'm weighing the Model 3 SR+ as an option if the tax credit is restored. That would bring the price under $30k in my state.

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Melodiacoffee

· #17 · Feb 14, 2021

RocketVol said:
I read an interesting article on Electrify America and believe that pretty soon they will catch or get close to the number of super chargers. ELECTRIC VEHICLES: How Volkswagen turned from diesel pariah into electric gorilla -- Thursday, January 3, 2019 -- www.eenews.net

From the Tesla website they say that there are 1,101 stations in North America. Right now Electrify America has about 500 on the way to 800 soon, and they are dropping several hundreds more on 30 month cycles and will have to keep doing that until 2027 per the dieselgate terms. I am not too worried about not having chargers on trips and it will only get better.

thank you for sharing that. That was enlightening

Melodiacoffee

· #18 · Feb 14, 2021

CascadiaID4 said:
Excellent discussion, thanks for the posts. I'm weighing the Model 3 SR+ as an option if the tax credit is restored. That would bring the price under $30k in my state.

I drove that car. It was fantastic. If I were looking for a sedan that would be the one. Best value, most efficient car made. heck, if it came with a factory tow hitch i would get it and a small trailer to handle any cargo needs that hardly ever happen. tow hitch is why I reserved the AWD. The other ID4 models in the US do not have one and the dealer was no help with any info if I can get one. Actually my original dealer was no help with anything.

ODgreen

· #19 · Feb 14, 2021

I recently saw that VWs battery supplier (SK something) just lost a big lawsuit from LG Chem, so VW has two years to find a new supplier. Could cause problems.

I'm gonna get a MY as soon as the 7K tax credit is available. Tesla is on the right track and their higher resale value makes up for the higher up front cost.

Melodiacoffee

· #20 · Feb 15, 2021

ODgreen said:
I recently saw that VWs battery supplier (SK something) just lost a big lawsuit from LG Chem, so VW has two years to find a new supplier. Could cause problems.

I'm gonna get a MY as soon as the 7K tax credit is available. Tesla is on the right track and their higher resale value makes up for the higher up front cost.

I am a little concerned The higher resale is artificially inflated. When Tesla re sells a car they flip the switch that cost them nothing to add. features like full self driving (10k retail) , enhanced acceleration (2k retail) on a standard range they will turn on the heated back seats ($300) . Etc. also when we all can get the 7k rebate then that will automatically put a discount on the resale cars.

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