[VW TECHNICIAN]

I agree and he states in the video that they consider their pricing very conservative.

There will be another drop in price after March..... because of battery minerals restrictions and ability for people who are not able to take full advantage of 7.5k on tax returns.
Model 3 SR+ with LFP chemistry will definitely see another price drop.
In my opinion who is looking for long-term ownership or traveling many miles a year...LFP chemistry is much better than NMC.
Only disadvantage is more energy needed in the winter to keep LFP chemistry happy.
This year is going to be very exciting for future buyers, that have patience.

 

[tacomambo]

its quite possible they might do another price drop.. so many factors attributing to it:
cogs is lowered
marketshare grab
gov incentives
stiffer competition availbility
etc...

 

[rlim562427]

My reserved ID4 is currently being shipped to the dealer and will be ready by the end of the month. So in the face of the current Tesla price drop I calculate that it's effective cost to me would still be $5.5K less then the equivalent Tesla Model Y. Part of the reason in that I'm in CA and the Tesla does not currently qualify for the $2K Clean Air Vehicle Program (CAVP) rebate, whereas the ID4 does. But with the recent Tesla MY price drop, it may once again qualify since now it's MSRP is less than the $60K maximum limit required by the CAVP. If the MY does become eligible for the CAVP rebate then the delta in price drops to $3.5K. So I have a couple of weeks to decide whether to go VW or Tesla, or just wait on buying an EV until later in the year.

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I just got my MY23 Tesla and they qualify you for many States rebates using MSRP alone. Model Y AWD Long range MSRP drop to $54,990 which qualifies for $2,000 NJ rebates for < $55,000. NJ also are tax free for EVs, it also qualify for Federal $7,500 tax rebate Saving around $13,000 in rebates making more cost effective to get Tesla Model Y in NJ.

 

[rlim562427]

There will be another drop in price after March..... because of battery minerals restrictions and ability for people who are not able to take full advantage of 7.5k on tax returns.
Model 3 SR+ with LFP chemistry will definitely see another price drop.
In my opinion who is looking for long-term ownership or traveling many miles a year...LFP chemistry is much better than NMC.
Only disadvantage is more energy needed in the winter to keep LFP chemistry happy.
This year is going to be very exciting for future buyers, that have patience.

I got MY23 Model 3 with LFP which now I can charge it to 100% instead of 80-90% for daily driving.

 

[VW TECHNICIAN]

I got MY23 Model 3 with LFP which now I can charge it to 100% instead of 80-90% for daily driving.

LFP are not any different than NMC chemistry....charging to full will degrade cells faster...reason why Tesla is doing this is because Tesla BMS is not accurate down to 1 mV accuracy to know exactly where in LFP flat curve is actual SOC.

 

[rlim562427]

LFP are not any different than NMC chemistry....charging to full will degrade cells faster...reason why Tesla is doing this is because Tesla BMS is not accurate down to 1 mV accuracy to know exactly where in LFP flat curve is actual SOC.

Maybe but overall LFP are safer and last longer than NMC batteries.

 

[VW TECHNICIAN]

Maybe but overall LFP are safer and last longer than NMC batteries.

I don't search Google for answers.... I do EV for living.... Probably next revision will bring updated BMS for LFP chemistry.....but what they are using now with LFP chemistry is not accurate enough. So Tesla marketing is advertising that LFP chemistry should be charged to 100% SOC....
but actually this is only way to keep BMS from drifting and not providing accurate SOC.
LFP chemistry has very flat curve that requires 1+/- mV accuracy.
They do last longer...but they have lower density.....higher demand for cells temperature management..... lower max..very sensitive at low state of charge output.....
more heavy. But in my opinion who is not after neck snapping acceleration and is after making many miles a year or keeping it for long-term are quite good value for the money. And hopefully in future Tesla offers replacement packs that will be much less expensive than NMC chemistry.

 

[rlim562427]

I don't search Google for answers.... I do EV for living.... Probably next revision will bring updated BMS for LFP chemistry.....but what they are using now with LFP chemistry is not accurate enough. So Tesla marketing is advertising that LFP chemistry should be charged to 100% SOC....
but actually this is only way to keep BMS from drifting and not providing accurate SOC.
LFP chemistry has very flat curve that requires 1+/- mV accuracy.
They do last longer...but they have lower density.....higher demand for cells temperature management..... lower max..very sensitive at low state of charge output.....
more heavy. But in my opinion who is not after neck snapping acceleration and is after making many miles a year or keeping it for long-term are quite good value for the money. And hopefully in future Tesla offers replacement packs that will be much less expensive than NMC chemistry.

I am still learning EV stuffs especially with batteries. In your professional opinion is there any maximum and minimum battery charge I need to maintain for LFP?

 

[Ev1st]

Now a days I see lot more teslas in my neighborhood. Lot of model Y’s and some Model 3’s. Looks like price cut worked well for Tesla. How long will this continue. But still they don’t appeal to me.
VW & Nissan get your act together. Give us a better product. I see Nissan Ariya ain’t selling much.