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I'm not planning on getting a Tesla and currently have an ID.4 which I love but they do have a "D" mode - I can't recall the name, but you can change it to more of a coasting mode.

You can’t. That “more coasting mode” was discontinued on every Tesla manufactured after October 2020.

 

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I did not know that. I once had a test drive with Model 3 and my friend who’s car it was did not know how to set that on. I did discover other reasons too why not to get one 🤭.

This is wrong information. You thought correctly.

 

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I was that way also. Go and pick up a car when I needed one.

June 2022 - no one had any. Sorry, nothing. Well maybe there were some new ones out there, but that is because no one wanted them. And the cars arriving, that people wanted, off a ship or car trailer seemed to have a markup over MSRP. I wasn't going to do that.

Easy to say go find one and buy it, but there was a time.

Then I got hooked into the VW reservation system. Ordered June 27th, locked July 13th. I was golden. No I wasn't. Switched to 2023 in October. Moved to 10 shortly after. Been there ever since.

Plant Peon says there are Pro S Plus's making their way through the factory. But they seem to be like the your lost sock. Never comes out.

My lost sock is usually eaten by my dog. It eventually does come out.

 

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Oh, I think it's called "Chill" mode. If I'm paying that much for a car, I probably would want to know how to change the driving settings haha - maybe tell your friend But yes, same here with other reasons - if anything having the sole tablet in the middle of the dash was enough for me not to want it. I would prefer to keep my eyes on up from the steering wheel, especially because I like to periodically check what my efficiency is. I know they have some aftermarket things you can install - but you know - when it was $66,000 for the Y...no thanks and even now at $53,990.

People who don’t own a Tesla keep perpetuating this myth. You don’t have to touch the tablet while you are driving. Everything is available via voice commands, and they actually work, and they work on the first try.

 

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I would not consider Tesla as long as Elon is in charge of the company. Even then, the things I have read about Tesla quality and service raise a lot of flags for me. I don't think they're going to be around 10 years from now.

Tesla fanbois are saying VW won’t be around in 10 years. It’s a fanboi thing to make such claims.

 

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Apple gives CarPlay away for free to get people hooked and to dominate that market.

Source for this claim?

 

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My $.02... I've driven the 3, X and S model Teslas. As an engineer, I can appreciate the technical greatness and amount of work that it took to get Tesla to where they are today. However, after driving them, I wouldn't consider one as the thing that seems to make them attractive is the feature i like the least. Auto-pilot/FSD is outstanding until it's not. My experience has been that if it gets confused or unsure, it's often immediate and occasionally bizarre. Given the high price tag for that feature, it's not something I would or could trust.

It's like teaching my kid to drive. I'm constantly on the edge waiting to jump in before something bad happens.

Not that this matters, but I'll say it anyway. Where I live there are a huge number of tesla drivers and a majority of them are poor drivers with an insatiable acceleration fetish. I don't want to be part of that club.

Is someone making you pay $15,000 for FSD? If some is, it’s illegal.

 

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The current CCS charging infrastructure is not just an ID.4 problem. It’s a problem for all EVs, including Rivian and Lucid. However, Lucid is able to compensate for the scarce CCS charging infrastructure with a phenomenal range, so it can basically last through an entire day of driving (say 7 hours at 75 mph) on one charge. At this long a range, the scarcity of the CCS charging infrastructure plays a very small role, and the only real dependency on the CCS charging infrastructure is its availability, which is currently not great either.

With the ID.4, there are two other deficiencies vis-a-vis it’s charging: low speed of charging and short range at highway speeds. These three factors: scarcity / low availability of CCS charging infrastructure, slow charging rate, and short highway-speed range make it a time-inefficient vehicle for road trips. However, when used as an in-town vehicle, these deficiencies no longer matter, so then you start looking at other qualities of the ID.4, such as build quality, ride quality, etc. Those are definitely superior in the ID.4 over the Model Y. Then, there is software: the ID.4 software is bad and has not yet been OTA upgraded (at least in North America). The Tesla software is industry leading, and the updates come on average once a month (sometimes as often as twice a month), including both bug fixes and new features. However, the Model Y has no CarPlay or Android Auto integration, while the ID.4 has both (including their wireless versions). So, if one must have CarPlay or Android Auto, then the choice is the ID.4.

My opinion after owning both for six months concurrently, use the ID.4 as the primary around-town vehicle and secondary road-trip vehicle. Use the Model Y as the primary road-trip vehicle and a secondary around-town vehicle.

 

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stopped by local toyota stealership for shits n gigs on rav 4 prime.. bottom totem pole sales guy wanted 15k adm. i told him to f off. his friends comes over n i haggled it down to 3k adm, i told them nah.. after i left the dealership, manager texted me what i can do to earn his business. LOL

elon making everybody hurt..

Tell him he should jump through fiery hoops like tigers used to in a circus. They don't do this to tigers anymore, but I would gladly do this to dealer salespeople to "earn my business".

 

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How did you get the functionality to open the garage door via button through CarPlay? Curious because we added the enhanced rearview mirror to our order for the sole purpose that it has Homelink to connect with garage door. I know LiftMaster (our garage door opener) sells myQ to bridge connection between garage door and phone, but does CarPlay automatically pop up myQ as you get close to the garage? If so, at least we could use it for our Chevy Volt and Toyota Prius that have CarPlay.

Get your garage door opener work with Apple HomeKit. Then use Siri to open the garage door. You need a chamberlain home bridge to integrate HomeKit with a smart garage opener (MyQ) made by Chamberlain of Liftmaster. I’ve had it for five years now. Tesla enable direct integration with MyQ about a month ago, so no Homekit integration is required, but integration with MyQ from third-party apps comes with a monthly or annual subscription. The integration of MyQ with HomeKit is free but you have to by the Home bridge for it.

 

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Man... never needed to, but never saw a direct side by side like that. Man that thing is hideous.

Which one - on the left or on the right?

 

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menu diving for opening the glove box

Are you mute? Menu diving? How about saying, “Open glove box?”

 

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At the same time buying a Tesla these days means that you forfeit your moral standing to criticize the Tesla Dude. And if you disagree with him on important issues, it insinuates that your principles go as far as the first inconvenience.

Are you for real? I couldn’t stand Musk when he was a left-wing icon, and I still can’t stand him now that he has become a right-wing apologist. It’s not about his political views but about his personality. What does it have to do with the cars that Tesla makes? I own a Model Y while absolutely despising the Tesla CEO.

If one followed your train of thought, one would never buy a VW, which is a brainchild of Adolf Hitler. Did you know that Hitler was the one who pushed Ferdinand Porsche (his personal friend) to create a people’s car, aka Volkswagen, and Hitler gave subsidies to Porsche to do just that? Hitler believed that every German citizen should be able to afford a personal automobile. Hitler was a national socialist, after all, and as any socialist he believed in a more fair distribution of wealth among German citizens; hence he promoted the affordability of automobiles for an average German citizen. Which one is less controversial for you: Musk or Hitler?

Why would one buy a Porsche, the brand named after a fervent Nazi and a Hitler’s personal friend? You are basically driving a car with an invisible swastika painted on it.

Do you ever drive on interstate highways? They were built on the initiative of Dwight Eisenhower after WWII, who was inpresssed with the German autobahn while he was the commander of the American troops during WWII. The American interstate highway system is based on the autobahn design. Do you know whose idea the autobahn was? Adolph Hitler’s. He personally participated in the design, and there is even a famous photograph of Hitler with a shovel opening the construction project of the first autobahn. The Third Reich invested heavily in the autobahn, which was billed as one of the Reich”s technological achievements.

So, being such a purist, you should never buy a VW or Porsche and never drive on an interstate highway.

 

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That would of course be dependent on the ID.4 voice recognition system to actually work...... if it was a supported function
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The comment was about a lack of the open button for the glove box in the Mode Y.

 

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The reasons all other manufacturers chose not to use the Tesla plug have been discussed ad nauseum. To sum it up that would strand all non Tesla previous buyers, destroy brand loyalty, disrupt production, and still not guarantee use of the supercharger network in North America.

It’s not about the use of the supercharger. It’s about a much superior connection. With DCFC and L2/L1 connector, there is no reason to adhere to a global standard, as vehicles can’t cross oceans except for on ships. Anyone who used the Tesla connector for DCFC charger at least once would immediately say that continuing with CCS1 in North America is plain stupid regardless of whether Musk opens up Superchargers to non-Tesla EVs in North America. The connector is THAT good.

As for “destroying brand loyalty,” nothing prevents CCS DCFC cabinets from having two cables (like they have been until now) with each cable having its own connector: one CCS1, the other NACS.

CCS1 one is a bad design. No person with a modicum of technical sense or even a modicum of common sense would claim otherwise after having compared DCFC experience between CCS1 and NACS. Only those who never tried NACS for DCFC charging (the majority in this forum) could possibly claim that CCS1 is superior or even remotely comparable.

 

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Tesla has axed radar and proximity sensors on 2023 Model Y.

I own a late 2021 Model Y (almost 2022) with no radar. The front-collision avoidance system on my Model Y, using cameras only, is lightyears ahead of the ID.4 collision avoidance system. I own both vehicles, and the ID,4 front collision avoidance system is plain faulty and dangerous. In fact, for about two months we thought it was broken and even took our ID.4 to the dealer twice to look at it (they had no way of testing it). Even VW says that it doesn’t work in all cases. For example, it doesn’t work when approaching a fully stopped vehicle from behind (which renders it useless in my book), while the Tesla one is effective every time in my experience and is really competent.

My Model Y has ultrasound sensors, which were removed in 2022 Model Y. I see them activating on the Tesla screen, but I still haven’t figured out what they do and what they are for. These are not parking sensors. The parking sensors were not removed on 2022 or 2023 Model Y.

As for blind-spot monitoring, I agree the system that the ID.4 ised is superior to the Model Y’s one, but on my last trip when I failed to notice a car to my right on the Interstate and started changing lanes, the Model Y screamed at me with loud beeping and automatically put me back in my lane very forcefully. So, the blind-spot monitoring in the Model Y is inferior to that of the ID.4, but the Midel Y prevented an accident nonetheless. I don’t know if the ID.4 would have forcefully put me back in my lane in a case like that.

I’ve experienced phantom braking in the Model Y twice in one road trip, but I wouldn’t call it “braking”. I would call it “mild slowdown”. As soon as the Model Y figured there was nothing in front of it, it accelerated back to its preset speed. That was not nearly as traumatic as many make it seem.

 

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Wait, is this serious? You can't open it without tapping a screen or...talking to the car?

You can pry it open with a screwdriver.

 

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It says that if it didn't already detect the car it won't stop.

I’m telling you what the EV technician at the local VW dealership claimed VW had taught him during the training - when I took my ID.4 there twice, having noticed the front collision prevention system wasn’t being activated in situations when it should have. He said the ID.4 front collision prevention system doesn’t activate for stopped vehicles. It only activates for moving vehicles when the vehicle ahead start braking abruptly. I’ve experienced the same - front collision prevention wasn’t reacting to vehicles stopped ahead.

 

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Still winning friends and influencing people eh?

Not tying to and now you are blocked.

 

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I used both and didn't notice such striking superiority, just a different set of compromises. Tesla super charger cables are super short. DCFC cables are super heavy.

I wasn’t talking about the cable. I was talking about the connector.