[tacomambo]

stopped by local toyota stealership for shits n gigs on rav 4 prime.. bottom totem pole sales guy wanted 15k adm. i told him to f off. his friends comes over n i haggled it down to 3k adm, i told them nah.. after i left the dealership, manager texted me what i can do to earn his business. LOL

elon making everybody hurt..

 

[tacomambo]

grats and enjoy your germanmobile.. hope bmw ice faults don't crawl into their hybrid/ev cars

 

[tacomambo]

No, you're making the same mistake as Ballmer. You probably like the Macan:
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But then to each his own. I'm sure there are people who still love their VHS tapes, too because it's "faster and easier" to look at a row of box labels to choose a movie rather than scrolling with Next/Previous soft functions.

holy snap.. that is the definition of clinging onto old dinosaur outdated design.. guess thats why boomers hate changes.. kinda like the horse/buggy folks when model t were introduced

 

[tacomambo]

hate elon or not, he doesn't make ice cars that lets kia boys go viral on tiktok

 

[tacomambo]

It's important to point out that this is a comparison for 2021 models. First series models will always be less reliable.
Also when it comes to build quality and Tesla I'm more concerned about structural integrity 5 years down the road, that's where my expectations of ID4's better build would be coming through. For short term ownership, MY is probably a better deal (if you look beyond the Tesla guy crap).


This guy must have a very active Twitter account meddling with US politics. Oh wait, he's dead, just like your analogy.

hows the build quality of tesla roasters and model s.. those are past a decade or approaching a decade old now.

 

[tacomambo]

Comparing 2013 Model S to a 2018 Model 3 is a bit of a stretch. I had a friend who worked on some of the Tesla models' mechanics (won't get into specifics). I was very surprised about his absolute lack of enthusiasm about Tesla's quality then. Not too surprised anymore.

Primary concers:

Tesla Model Y $24,000 Repair: Here's Everything You Need To Know

This Tesla owner's Model Y was rear-ended for the second time. He shares all the details about the electric crossover's repair so you'll know what to expect.

insideevs.com

Nobody doubts the influence. Many of doubt the net value. It doesn't have to be politics. Some of us just aren't eager to endorse a COVID disinformer.

how is that a stretch, your concern was 5 year down the line.. these cars have been running for more than 10 years... i dont hear any horror stories about tesla needing subframe welding after 5 years or battery recalls or vanos bolt unscrewing in the engine

 

[tacomambo]

1) There were plenty of compromises with Model 3 in the quality department. I rolled my eyes about the whining on Model 3 panel gaps until I sat in one
2) The issue is if it needs repair it sounds like a very pricey one and I've never seen anybody describe a positive experience with the expediency with which their Tesla repairs were delivered.

The actual maintenance cost of ICE vehicles end up being lower than of Tesla given the extreme repair costs:

Tesla, insurers take different paths to deal with expensive repairs

Tesla Inc's electric vehicles are expensive to repair - so much so that the automaker and insurers are addressing the issue in sharply different ways.

www.reuters.com

But don't take it from me. Take it from the Guy:

you're still avoiding the question or are you going to use whatboutism to disregard what you disagree with?

 

[tacomambo]

manufacturing process and volume fully revamped from MS to M3. numerous design changes made last minute. mass production with little evidence of a servicing plan to match the volume. explicit lack of design adjustments (or experience) to lower repair costs. but this was already answered...

also, that's not what whataboutism means.

cheers

so u question tesla's quality build but wont address tesla cars that were built 10+ years ago because ahem manufacturing process revamped... tesla 3/y are some of the most safest cars on earth at the moment. you can literally drive off a cliff with your entire family inside and come out alive.. you can also get tboned by a pickup truck with your kids in the back seat and walk off with minor injuries:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/10plz5n
ice cars are filled with panel gap issues, but i wouldn't bet on surviving off a cliff with a ice than an ev.

 

[tacomambo]

LOL, not quite. In 2013 Tesla built 20K cars, were not focused on profitability, had a completely different build process, and the reputation of those models were already "mechanics' worst nightmare" if repairs were needed. Your expectation of in-depth reasoning on how the issues of limited series early cars differ from the post post-Alien Dreadnaught era's cars produced at 100x the volume implies that this is a wasted effort.



You seem to equate risks of ownership with safety. Most of us won't drive off a cliff in an attempt of murder-suicide... or even be t-boned by a pickup. Most of us however, will have to deal with car maintenance at one point. So the real risk of buying an older tesla without warranty is unexpected repairs. Or as @VW TECHNICIAN eloquently explained the cost of using cast aluminum is very high body repair costs. Overall these make the maintenance of a Tesla much costlier and the insuring it x2 as expensive than most other cars of the price range (or above).

but according to your insights.. newer model 3/y are inferior in quality due to cost reduction yet somehow those cars are able to protect the people that sit inside while falling off a cliff and getting tboned raises eyebrows

 

[tacomambo]

you seem to have lost track of your own projections at this point

we get it. you dislike tesla regardless of what they do.

 

[tacomambo]

Bro, this is exactly what I meant by projection. You're arguing with your idea of what my stance is and not what I'm actually saying. You can scroll back to see what I said about Tesla being claimed to be one of the least reliable carmakers.

least reliable according to who? how many tesla have you own? critics are always the biggest loudmouths. kinda of like the yelp crowd (thats another topic we can debate). whats the statistic on disatisfied tesla owners.. if tesla are so horribly made, why do people keep buying them? why do they have long wait time? tesla isn't some new random ev maker like vinfast where nobody knows how the car is.. theyve been around for 10+ years.

a non reliable car would be one that have functions that arent working when using/needed.. body panel gap are not considered a reliability issue, paint depth is not a reliabilty issue.. those are more of tolerance specs. poor interior quality? can't really say its poor, its a matter of material choice. lets not pretend luxury auto makers arent transitioning to fake leather to cut corners to increase profit while pleasing the eco loudmouths.

i can go on and on.. end of the day.. tesla isn't as bad as you make it out to be.. maybe rent one and compare to your current vehicle or any of vehicle you've own in the past.. i can assure you tesla is far better that what you've experience before.

 

[tacomambo]

hahaha. And as I expected, you just went on a rant without actually looking at the posts ( #357 and #360) you're ranting about. I'm done here.

kind of silly when other maker have worse reliability issues with aging car with expensive repair bills like vw, audi, bmw, mb, ford, gm.. but lets not chatise those company because their ceo isn't head honcho of twitter...

might want to brush on update on what is reliable and what isn't instead of taking loudmouth anecdotes from online reddit/forums:

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-these-are-the-least-reliable-cars/

and fyi, im not tesla fanboy, if i was i would have a my instead of an id4. and i would never own an ice vw because they're trash cars period. hope that clarifies your delussional assumption of me being a tesla fanboy

 

[tacomambo]

Monroe cares about one thing first and foremost... Cheapening out a car to make it faster and cheaper to produce. Sorry, there's a place for that, but it doesn't inspire confidence that you're getting a high quality car for your money. His obsession with eliminating fasteners, making things out of single pieces of cast aluminum or plastic, etc are great for short term manufacturer's profits, not so much for consumers. So yeah, he's credible, but his entire perspective is opposite what smart consumers should care about.

having more complexes to cars makes it more costly for repairs.. dont forget that.. simplifying the manufacturing process does not equate to poor quality. it just make it more efficient.. poor quality cars dont protect passenger falling off a cliff or getting tbone and walking away.

anti elon camp whine and moan about expensive repairs but yet praises and worship high quality build with more fasteners and screws

so what is the definition of high quality and low cost aging repair reliability?

 

[tacomambo]

TESLA now qualifies for additional 2k rebate in california via cvrp and $7500 for those within 400% poverty level... possible $15k savings