[truthseeker]

I checked the inventory on the Model Y today; it’s gone. No more inventory sitting idle and being ready to be delivered that qualifies for the $7500 credit. My take on this is that Tesla had thousands of Model Y’s with two-rows of seats in the pipeline, so they had to lower the price to be able to slide under the $55,000 limit to qualify for $7,500. They will now be making mostly 3-row Model Y, so there won’t be a need anymore to keep the price under $55,000. Plus, the $7,500 is going away in about 5-9 weeks. This is a short window to buy an AWD LR Model Y for under $46,000

 

[PANZERidIV]

@Kief So you chose a legacy car maker over a Tesla? Didn’t that seem old fashioned?

 

[VW TECHNICIAN]

The government pays that $7500 to you; not to Tesla. This tax credit didn’t exist on the Model Y when it came out in early 2020. So, it did drop to $50,000 in 2020, but it was $50,000. Now it’s $53.490 - $7,500, which is $45,990. The LR AWD Model Y never cost this low until now (except for three weeks when it was $500 less at $45,490). It’s a steal at this price. And also, it’s not going to last much longer. The price will start creeping up. There is not a hard $55,000 ceiling; all Musk has to do is put a third row in each Model Y, and he can raise the LR AWD Model Y price without options up to $69,990 to allow $10,000 in options to still slide under the $80,000 ceiling. In reality, he will probably stop somewhere midway between today’s price and $70,000 where he finds the equilibrium between the production output he wants to maintain and the demand at that price level.

There is more to government rebate that manufacturers are entitled for.... Tesla Model Y is even at discounted price quite expensive....
If additional seats bring it to SUV rebate 80k cap....what do you really getting for extra 10-20+k ( bigger wheels and unlocking by software more power to the motors) i find not worth extra money or resale value some day on the road vs 55k capped Model Y.

pushing it to 80k SUV limit rebate is out of reach for many people in US...and many other people who can afford will find better choices for the money. Model Y was designed from beginning to be as cheap as possible to manufacture and assemble.... and only thing that kept Tesla gunning prices more and more...because not long ago there was really no real competition in this segment.
Once legacy manufacturers go over 2 or 3 redesigns and revisions on propulsion units and battery packs.... Model Y and Model 3 will be still crippled because of birth issue ( made to be spartan by design) that people will never see or classified as premium luxury segment and seeing it as worth the 80k price tag.
I'm trying to make honest opinion without sugar coating on the Tesla cake.
Most people actually want to touch....feel and be connected to the vehicle and road.
Making vehicles to feel and look like smart phone on wheels with almost everything done by touch screen is far away from human nature.

 

[truthseeker]

I agree, but they were selling at $66,000 just a few months ago before the government threw a wrench into the distribution channel for Tesla a couple months before January 1, 2023. People decided to wait for the rebate, so they delayed their purchase. Inventory started piling up. So, Musk had to offer $7500 off to keep selling the Model Y in late December. Then, theIRS issues its dumb ruling in early January 2023 that the 2-row Model Y is a car and not an SUV. At this point, there was inventory of 2-row Model Y’s piled up and ready for delivery that wouldn’t qualify for a federal tax credit anymore. Musk needed to do something to sell those, so he lowered the price below $55,000. They sold like hot cakes. There is no inventory anymore. Now Musk can adjust the price up and offer people a third row for an additional $1,000 so that they can claim $7,500 in federal tax credit. He has a cushion to keep raising the price and still be competitive. The ID.4 is a nice vehicle, but as both of us know, it’s not very suitable for road trips unless we are retired and are in no hurry to get to point B.

I don’t think that the ID.4 can compete with the Model Y at the same price level, which they are exactly the same price between the AWD Pro S Plus ID.4 and the AWD LR Model Y with a color and a tow hitch.

 

[TidingSStables]

There is more to government rebate that manufacturers are entitled for.... Tesla Model Y is even at discounted price quite expensive....
If additional seats bring it to SUV rebate 80k cap....what do you really getting for extra 10-20+k ( bigger wheels and unlocking by software more power to the motors) i find not worth extra money or resale value some day on the road vs 55k capped Model Y.

pushing it to 80k SUV limit rebate is out of reach for many people in US...and many other people who can afford will find better choices for the money. Model Y was designed from beginning to be as cheap as possible to manufacture and assemble.... and only thing that kept Tesla gunning prices more and more...because not long ago there was really no real competition in this segment.
Once legacy manufacturers go over 2 or 3 redesigns and revisions on propulsion units and battery packs.... Model Y and Model 3 will be still crippled because of birth issue ( made to be spartan by design) that people will never see or classified as premium luxury segment and seeing it as worth the 80k price tag.
I'm trying to make honest opinion without sugar coating on the Tesla cake.
Most people actually want to touch....feel and be connected to the vehicle and road.
Making vehicles to feel and look like smart phone on wheels with almost everything done by touch screen is far away from human nature.

You don’t get much more from ID4 to Q4 E tron other than rehash superficial design and facelifts from OEM every 3 years with tail lights and head lights and no other innovations. That difference in price gives the illusion of one’s status used to sell cars by legacy auto.

By the 3rd iterations of legacy auto that’s about 10 to 15 years, autonomy will be prevalent.

Jobs and Ives designed iPads and iPhones to be intuitive by natural touch without having to read the manual. Anyone can pick it up and start using it. The software layout ultimately becomes the most import aspect of the design.

If you think tactile buttons and Eurocentric interior decorative design is great here’s my EV loaner inspired by BlackBerry while the Model Y gets the bumper fixed.

If anyone owns Samsung or LG appliances you will know 🤮 software.

 

[p__x]

Jobs and Ives designed iPads and iPhones to be intuitive by natural touch without having to read the manual. Anyone can pick it up and start using it. The software layout ultimately becomes the most import aspect of the design.

If you think tactile buttons and Eurocentric interior decorative design is great here’s my EV loaner inspired by BlackBerry while the Model Y gets the bumper fixed.

I disagree with these analogies on most levels.

1) Work devices still rely on task based hardware. This is why Pads are still not used for serious work except for graphics, for which capacitive touch is actual task based hardware. So you're comparing a car to an entertainment device. Chances are, you typed your post on a keyboard with physical buttons as well...also for a reason. Without granular haptic feedback

2) You keep on comparing a car to a cell phone ignoring both the purpose and the redundancy.

 

[Smorgasbord]

Chances are, you typed your post on a keyboard with physical buttons as well...also for a reason.

I'm old enough to remember Microsoft's Ballmer laughing at the iPhone because "it won't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard."

 

[p__x]

I'm old enough to remember Microsoft's Ballmer laughing at the iPhone because "it won't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard."

LOL, I remember this too. You missed the point as much as Ballmer though. Keyboards did not get replaced by touch screens. Most people who do typing for professional activities still use keyboards because 10-finger typing is and will be way more efficient than whatever you squeeze out of a touchscreen. Ballmer wasn't wrong about the touch screen being a compromise. He was 100% wrong about the value of the compromise that allowed unprecedented versatility and mobility. No such compromise is necessary (or even justified) in a car. There's enough space and some of the functions are actually linked to hardware. Like the glovebox, LOL.

When you ignore tactile feedback, you ignore the largest sensory organ of the human body.

BMW understands this. Their scroll wheel is near perfection. And their shortcut buttons are exemplary. Tesla's interface would also be light years better if they hid 2 shortcut buttons on the back side of the screen. It wouldn't mess up the visual design, but it would provide tactile feedback and allow you to access a function you regularly use.

 

[Smorgasbord]

LOL, I remember this too. You missed the point as much as Ballmer though.

No, you're making the same mistake as Ballmer. You probably like the Macan:

and

But then to each his own. I'm sure there are people who still love their VHS tapes, too because it's "faster and easier" to look at a row of box labels to choose a movie rather than scrolling with Next/Previous soft functions.

 

[p__x]

No, you're making the same mistake as Ballmer. You probably like the Macan:

But then to each his own. I'm sure there are people who still love their VHS tapes, too because it's "faster and easier" to look at a row of box labels to choose a movie rather than scrolling with Next/Previous soft functions.

Now that's what I call a truly Smörgåsbord way to interpret a post
Somebody mentions tactile feedback and you go straight to talking about VHS.
I'll give it to you, great for a joke, but little short for a discussion.

 

[TidingSStables]

LOL, I remember this too. You missed the point as much as Ballmer though. Keyboards did not get replaced by touch screens. Most people who do typing for professional activities still use keyboards because 10-finger typing is and will be way more efficient than whatever you squeeze out of a touchscreen. Ballmer wasn't wrong about the touch screen being a compromise. He was 100% wrong about the value of the compromise that allowed unprecedented versatility and mobility. No such compromise is necessary (or even justified) in a car. There's enough space and some of the functions are actually linked to hardware. Like the glovebox, LOL.

When you ignore tactile feedback, you ignore the largest sensory organ of the human body.

BMW understands this. Their scroll wheel is near perfection. And their shortcut buttons are exemplary. Tesla's interface would also be light years better if they hid 2 shortcut buttons on the back side of the screen. It wouldn't mess up the visual design, but it would provide tactile feedback and allow you to access a function you regularly use.

I’m not a pro race car driver or jet fighter, just getting from point A to point B in comfort and one piece. If I had a chauffeur even better. As we are getting closer to autonomy I personally don’t care that much of feeling the road as some here rowing gears and loud exhaust.

BMW, the company losing sales to you know who and stuffing EV batteries into their ICE cars and losing the EV race. The M badge use to command respect for a while until Model 3 outperformed it and all the new offerings from other manufacturers. BMW scroll wheel was great a decade ago before touch screen and voice commands, scrolling through alphabets and I was glad to sell my Lexus 2019 with their budget version of it. Reminds me of a track ball Windows 95 cracked version with drivers required.

Aftermarket buttons are available but I have not found a reason to need that or even add old tech like CarPlay.

Four S3XY Buttons

Four buttons with the iconic letters of all Tesla models look great inside your car and give you Quick, Safe and Easy shortcuts.

enhauto.com

9-Inch Tesla Model 3 Y Dashboard Display Instrument Panel|Hansshow

9-inch Tesla Model 3 Y dashboard display adopts a new minimalist Linux UI system. The Instrument Panel offers day/night mode and supports wireless Carplay.

www.hautopart.com

 

[p__x]

I’m not a pro race car driver or jet fighter, just getting from point A to point B in comfort and one piece. If I had a chauffeur even better. As we are getting closer to autonomy I personally don’t care that much of feeling the road as some here rowing gears and loud exhaust.

I know, autonomy is coming the end of the year. (It will actually be here at one point, but whodathunk it's hard).

BMW, the company losing sales to you know who and stuffing EV batteries into their ICE cars and losing the EV race. The M badge use to command respect for a while until Model 3 outperformed it and all the new offerings from other manufacturers.

I know you like to refer to car sales as a measure of greatness, but by that measure the best vehicle in the USA is the Ford F-150. I personally couldn't care less about speeds above 0-60 in 6 sec. I also don't care for *BMW, as much as I don't care for Tesla.

BMW scroll wheel was great a decade ago before touch screen and voice commands, scrolling through alphabets and I was glad to sell my Lexus 2019 with their budget version of it. Reminds me of a track ball Windows 95 cracked version with drivers required.

The BMW scroll wheel is still surprisingly efficient while menu diving or selecting songs quickly etc.
I don't like talking to my car.

Aftermarket buttons are available but I have not found a reason to need that or even add old tech like CarPlay.

Four S3XY Buttons

Four buttons with the iconic letters of all Tesla models look great inside your car and give you Quick, Safe and Easy shortcuts.

enhauto.com

Now this, I like a lot: S3XY Buttons Functions


*where I grew up we have a saying that goes like "futile like working on a BMW turn signal assembly line"

(also, what's with all the obsession with 90's Microsoft? They are still a boss player)

 

[tacomambo]

No, you're making the same mistake as Ballmer. You probably like the Macan:
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But then to each his own. I'm sure there are people who still love their VHS tapes, too because it's "faster and easier" to look at a row of box labels to choose a movie rather than scrolling with Next/Previous soft functions.

holy snap.. that is the definition of clinging onto old dinosaur outdated design.. guess thats why boomers hate changes.. kinda like the horse/buggy folks when model t were introduced

 

[p__x]

Another thing VW should do is make the ID4 manual on-line like Tesla. This is neat and transparent.
Like I looked at this and reminded me how much I hated the M3/MY door handle design:

Model 3 Owner's Manual | Tesla

Understand various things you can do to ensure optimal performance in cold weather.

www.tesla.com

But I can also see that the Climate control Popup interface got improved

The airflow settings are still incredibly counterintuitive.

 

[Pascal]

Then rather less good software 😁

Tesla Model Y Steering Wheel Falls Off While Driving, One Week After Delivery

This isn't the first time a Tesla owner discovered first-hand what bad quality control looks like.

insideevs.com

 

[VW TECHNICIAN]

Then rather less good software 😁

Tesla Model Y Steering Wheel Falls Off While Driving, One Week After Delivery

This isn't the first time a Tesla owner discovered first-hand what bad quality control looks like.

insideevs.com

This definitely can make you go from joyful ride to ride for your life.

 

[TidingSStables]

Then rather less good software 😁

Tesla Model Y Steering Wheel Falls Off While Driving, One Week After Delivery

This isn't the first time a Tesla owner discovered first-hand what bad quality control looks like.

insideevs.com

Proudly built in 🇺🇸

 

[VW TECHNICIAN]

I guess new Tesla owners should have another thing to inspect before purchasing new Tesla.
Try to pull on steering wheel and see if it comes apart.
Way better option than finding this out while in motion.
But why Tesla charged owner for this type of service repair.

 

[VW TECHNICIAN]

Proudly built in 🇺🇸

I would disagree with you on this.
There is many things made in US that all Americans should be proud. This is just neglect in QA department...and all of this people should be trained again how to do job that they are paid for.

 

[Pascal]

I would disagree with you on this.
There is many things made in US that all Americans should be proud. This is just neglect in QA department...and all of this people should be trained again how to do job that they are paid for.

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