[7S POWER]

By: Carlos Lago
C&D Deputy Editor, Video

 

[7S POWER]

Aims to be an Affordable All-Electric SUV... where did I hear a slogan similar to that before?

 

[7S POWER]

The styling is a cross between bZ4, and the iX

 

[ddx]

Somehow except a few details here and there, exterior feels like an ID.4.... interior though... if you like buttons, it is much better from the angle the interior looks kinda tight but I'm not sure. But from the Bolt, the infotainment probably gonna be much more informative. My ID.4 interior feels much simpler (good and bad), open and airy. I like the white roof, probably reflects heat better, although that glass is still a black surface, maybe if getting it without glass roof.

 

[Lotus54]

If it was already out- I would have been looking very seriously at that car. My Volt was outstanding.
I much preferred the driver interface. Some of the ID.4 interface I quite like, but others, I just live with.

 

[Dimitrij]

This crossover is what GM should have started their "Tesla-killing" quest with in 2017.

Instead, they first saddled themselves with the silly Bolt EV and then with the even sillier Bolt EUV, while abandoning the Volt, whose powertrain was IMO a great piece of engineering, perhaps in the same league with Toyota's HSD.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

We’re seriously thinking about getting this instead of the ID.4 we have on order. With a base price of around $30,000 for the 1LT, the 2LT is probably gonna be around $40,000-ish with AWD and 300-mile range. Hell; our base, bone stock 2023 RWD ID.4 Pro with less range is $42,495. Add AWD, and we’re at $46,000.

 

[Dimitrij]

We’re seriously thinking about getting this instead of the ID.4 we have on order. With a base price of around $30,000 for the 1LT, the 2LT is probably gonna be around $40,000-ish with AWD and 300-mile range. Hell; our base, bone stock 2023 RWD ID.4 Pro with less range is $42,495. Add AWD, and we’re at $46,000.

One thing to keep in mind is that our "You-Electrified-The-Entire-Automobile-Industry" GM in the past 10+ years of making and selling EV's hasn't gotten to 30K units/year output (excluding those made by Chinese JV's and not sold in the North American markets). The Lyriq, which is like twice the price of the EVquinox, got its order books full and closed for 2023. What are the chances that you can get an actual EVquinox of the spec- and at the price you want even in 2024?

 

[macb00kemdanno]

One thing to keep in mind is that our "You-Electrified-The-Entire-Automobile-Industry" GM in the past 10+ years of making and selling EV's hasn't gotten to 30K units/year output (excluding those made by Chinese JV's and not sold in the North American markets). The Lyriq, which is like twice the price of the EVquinox, got its order books full and closed for 2023. What are the chances that you can get an actual EVquinox of the spec- and at the price you want even in 2024?

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GM isn't doing an online pre-ordering system for the Equinox. You'll go to the dealership and order it. Alex on Autos has a good video on it (embedded below). With that said, ID.4 reservation holders have also been given the runaround, been jerked around by dealers with price increases once their vehicle has arrived, or had their vehicles held hostage by dealers willing to sell it from under their feet to the next higher bidder. Not to mention that VW's ordering system seems to have no rhyme or reason to when customers get their vehicles, with some people ordering well AFTER other reservation holders, then getting their locks BEFORE. And getting information on production/updates from VW is like pulling teeth, not to mention the ongoing software update situation.

With that being said, we're not in any particular rush to replace our Outback. It's at roughly 100,000 miles, and other than burning a little bit of oil between oil changes, it has been rock solid and reliable for the past six years. The only reason why we hopped on the ID.4 was that it was the cheapest crossover EV out there with a respectable range that would fit our family of four. We're not tied to any brand, we'll go with whoever gives us the most bang for the buck.

 

[Dimitrij]

GM isn't doing an online pre-ordering system for the Equinox. You'll go to the dealership and order it. Alex on Autos has a good video on it (embedded below). With that said, ID.4 reservation holders have also been given the runaround, been jerked around by dealers with price increases once their vehicle has arrived, or had their vehicles held hostage by dealers willing to sell it from under their feet to the next higher bidder. Not to mention that VW's ordering system seems to have no rhyme or reason to when customers get their vehicles, with some people ordering well AFTER other reservation holders, then getting their locks BEFORE. And getting information on production/updates from VW is like pulling teeth, not to mention the ongoing software update situation.

With that being said, we're not in any particular rush to replace our Outback. It's at roughly 100,000 miles, and other than burning a little bit of oil between oil changes, it has been rock solid and reliable for the past six years. The only reason why we hopped on the ID.4 was that it was the cheapest crossover EV out there with a respectable range that would fit our family of four. We're not tied to any brand, we'll go with whoever gives us the most bang for the buck.

I think in the whole pure BEV world the best bang for the buck is TMY, if you are looking at the SUV-like experience. Gotta be some value in the fact that Tesla is making BEV's earnestly. With the Giga TX gaining momentum, I think the wait is going to be entirely acceptable, maybe a couple of weeks if you don't want an exotic configuration. After looking at the ID4 for a couple of weeks, I kind of lost interest already (as I had in the EV6, Ioniq, and a few others).

 

[macb00kemdanno]

I think in the whole pure BEV world the best bang for the buck is TMY, if you are looking at the SUV-like experience. Gotta be some value in the fact that Tesla is making BEV's earnestly. With the Giga TX gaining momentum, I think the wait is going to be entirely acceptable, maybe a couple of weeks if you don't want an exotic configuration. After looking at the ID4 for a couple of weeks, I kind of lost interest already (as I had in the EV6, Ioniq, and a few others).

I beg to differ. Cheapest Model Y in the US is $67,000. Cheapest ID.4 is less than $40k. Cheapest Equinox will be $30,000 before $7,500 credit. That’s a HUGE price spread.

When I bought my Model 3 last year, it was $39,990. That same car is now $46,990.

 

[1fishbulb]

@macb00kemdanno, yep totally apples and oranges compared to the model Y, honestly not even close. We thought about the model Y for about 10 minutes but it was just too expensive for us.

Is it really apples and oranges between the ID4 and the Equinox though? The price, range and features seem very compelling. Styling is pretty nice too. I’m not a GM fan but if that comes out that way I’d be impressed. I won’t believe until I see it though.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

@macb00kemdanno, yep totally apples and oranges compared to the model Y, honestly not even close. We thought about the model Y for about 10 minutes but it was just too expensive for us.

Is it really apples and oranges between the ID4 and the Equinox though? The price, range and features seem very compelling. Styling is pretty nice too. I’m not a GM fan but if that comes out that way I’d be impressed. I won’t believe until I see it though.

The new Equinox EV is actually a bit bigger. It’s longer, lower and wider than the gas version of the current Equinox. It’s about 190 inches long IIRC. The ID.4 is 180 inches long.

 

[p7wang]

The new Equinox EV is actually a bit bigger. It’s longer, lower and wider than the gas version of the current Equinox. It’s about 190 inches long IIRC. The ID.4 is 180 inches long.

Don't forget to mention, less cargo space! Bolt has 58 cu ft. Equinox EV has only 54. It is wide on the bottom but has skinny top half.

Edit: Both are 57 cu ft.

 

[Dimitrij]

Don't forget to mention, less cargo space! Bolt has 58 cu ft. Equinox EV has only 54. It is wide on the bottom but has skinny top half.

Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know for sure? The Bolt looks some much shorter than the EVquinox

I beg to differ. Cheapest Model Y in the US is $67,000. Cheapest ID.4 is less than $40k. Cheapest Equinox will be $30,000 before $7,500 credit. That’s a HUGE price spread.

When I bought my Model 3 last year, it was $39,990. That same car is now $46,990.

Of course

Here are some facts and figures:

The "cheapest ID4 for less than $40K" is the version with the smaller battery, giving you maybe 200 miles of range and with RWD only. In our parts it could be a commuter car at best, competing not with the TMY but with the likes of the Leaf or the Bolt, which are $30-35K.

Besides, it doesn't exist in real-life.

The cheapest real-life RWD ID4 I have been able to find is $54K, and the cheapest AWD is $58K, and they are in the "sale pending" state. You can order one and either get it "sometime in the next 6 months" (or maybe12, or 18 - who knows? you and I don't for sure). And you wouldn't even know what the actual price will be until you come for it, with all the dealers' markups and options that may apply.

The price difference between the 2022 TM3 and the 2021 is 7 grand or a little less than 18%, which is consistent with the real-life inflation for in-demand vehicles.

 

[p7wang]

Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know for sure? The Bolt looks some much shorter than the EVquinox

Oops, both are 57.

2024 Chevrolet Equinox EV: What We Know So Far

Chevy's on a roll electrifying its future lineup, and the 2024 Equinox EV will be the electric offering in the brand's compact SUV portfolio.

www.caranddriver.com

https://www.carindigo.com/chevrolet/bolt-ev-electric/cargo-space

 

[Palouser]

Don't forget to mention, less cargo space! Bolt has 58 cu ft. Equinox EV has only 54. It is wide on the bottom but has skinny top half.

Edit: Both are 57 cu ft.

Bolt has plenty of storage for us but we don't have kids at home anymore, though the back seat has plenty of room for two adults. $500 worth of groceries, no problem. And a lot fits in front of the back seats and on the seats. Something dimensionally large can usually fit with back seats down although they don't go flat, and you can still put cargo in front of the back seats on the floor. Suitcases, no problem.

So the Equinox would be fine for us. What I'm after is an EV awd. The Bazer would be bigger but really too big for us, as is the ID.4. I was going for the AWD EV, and I think the ID.4 has the best awd technology. I would not go MY for a number of reasons, beyond the expense.

But since VW seems to want to leave me out of the party regarding my reservation there ARE options.

 

[wildpitcher]

I think in the whole pure BEV world the best bang for the buck is TMY, if you are looking at the SUV-like experience. Gotta be some value in the fact that Tesla is making BEV's earnestly. With the Giga TX gaining momentum, I think the wait is going to be entirely acceptable, maybe a couple of weeks if you don't want an exotic configuration. After looking at the ID4 for a couple of weeks, I kind of lost interest already (as I had in the EV6, Ioniq, and a few others).

Wake me up when I can get a red Model Y for $53,000 before any credits.

Rip Van Winkle

 

[p7wang]

Bolt has plenty of storage for us but we don't have kids at home anymore, though the back seat has plenty of room for two adults. $500 worth of groceries, no problem. And a lot fits in front of the back seats and on the seats. Something dimensionally large can usually fit with back seats down although they don't go flat, and you can still put cargo in front of the back seats on the floor. Suitcases, no problem.

So the Equinox would be fine for us. What I'm after is an EV awd. The Bazer would be bigger but really too big for us, as is the ID.4. I was going for the AWD EV, and I think the ID.4 has the best awd technology. I would not go MY for a number of reasons, beyond the expense.

But since VW seems to want to leave me out of the party regarding my reservation there ARE options.

Note that Equinox EV is much bigger than the ICE Equinox. Equinox EV and Blazer EV are only a couple inches different width and length. I was pondering about Equinox EV but no more.

 

[TidingSStables]

When is this coming out?