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... for me... It's not the easily scratchable glossy plastics or touch senstive controls or lack of some lighted controls or lack of dedicated rear window buttons or lack of one pedal driving or lack of heat pump in US version or not so fast charging but... it's the damn charging port location...

Why on earth would they pick rear right location? IMO it's one of the worst locations for EV which meant to spend most of the time charging at home. I would have been fine with front like in Leaf or front left side like in I had in Volt/Bolt or even rear left would have been ok like in Tesla. Of course VW isn't the only one who is guilty of that, Hyundai/Kia as well as Toyota also doing the same thing, there are some China made EVs using right front location.

There are a few options how to solve it for manufacturers. Either 1) standardize location of the port 2) add two locations on both sides at least

 

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This actually works nicely for me. I park in my left garage (which is the further from the electrical panel) and always back in. So this makes it so my EVSE is right next to the charge port. There is no perfect spot, and no matter where they put it someone is going to complain that it doesn't work for their set up.

Most people don't back in their cars, like this id.4 is for my wife and she doesn't like backing in her car. I do back in my cars generally, but this isn't as common. I am planning to park in the left garage as well, but without backing in this isn't going to work well.

Also next EV you are going to buy may have port on the left side in the front and back in no longer is going to work if you already have charger mounted to accommodate id.4. My point either give two locations or standardize port location.

Besides that it's not a good location because you do have to go around the car to plug/unplug as it's not obvious if you approach from the driver side.

 

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Fuel tanks are different and certainly much cost/complexity involved to add secondary fuel port. Gas stations are designed that you can park on either side and it's convenient for either port location but we are not talking about technology that was designed decades ago. Routing additional wire with an outlet should be negligible additional cost. Seems like great engineering minds didn't think through charging convenience which happens more frequently then filling car with dyno juice once a week.

 

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Right side charging port works well for curb side charging, such as what Los Angeles is trying out.

Left side rear like in Tesla would have been fine too, but again most of the time people will be charging at home anyway.

Frankly I always appreciated having fuel fill on the left side as it's easier accessed as you exit the car and less chance of driving off with open gas door or worse gas filler gun still inside...

 

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I am all for backing in, I do that all the time in all my cars, though lift gate becomes inaccessible in my garage. While, yes, you can make it all work and figure out best placement for charger for id.4, but is it ideal location for charging port for most and frequent use? No way.

 

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I love the charge port location. It works perfectly in my garage side-by-side with the Model Y, using the same EVSE mounted in the middle.
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Yes when you have split doors this is great spot for this situation

 

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Please keep the charge port where it is now. It’s the perfect location.

Next time you will be replacing your Tesla and charge port will be on the opposite side. You will sing a different song then

 

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I will buy a car that has the port where I need it to be. You need the port in the front? There are plenty of EVs with that configuration.

that's the most funniest ridiculous thing I've heard today. Please do indulge me though, which eCUVs for $50k I can buy with the charging port in the front?

 

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Kia Nero, Hyundai Kona, Chevrolet Bolt EV/EUV, Ford Mach-E, Toyota bZ4X, Subaru Solterra...

We are talking about comparable SUV to id.4, in terms of prices/features, none of those options are workable. They are either small and/or no AWD or simply more money.

 

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Sorry, I think VW should change the design so that your particular situation is accommodated. Because, you know, the world revolves around you. Or, at least, it should.

Sounds like if VW added a charging port on the roof or underneath the car you would find it fine as well because after all they know everything about designing the perfect car and never failed giving terribly implemented features.

 

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"We" aren't. You are. I expect there will be some that share your desired specs, but by no means all. The person you responded to didn't mention SUV or AWD. I did not want an SUV, but there are zero EV wagons on offer so I had to uncheck that box (among others). I bought the ID.4, so I like it enough to plonk down my moneys, but I'm no fanboy. It was a close race between the ID.4 and the IONIQ5, and the ID.4 arrived first. The ID.4 has lower specs, but cost a little less and was available first. Had Tesla offered a hitch on the Model 3 that would have been on my list too.

The Mach-e costs less, has AWD, and is an SUV. The Solterra costs less, has AWD, and is an SUV. And there are quite a few people here without AWD in their ID.4's.

BTW, the car in your sig is over $50k. About $52,590 if I did it right.

If you are in this thread it's "we" are discussing. There are no "plenty" alternatives to id.4 in the same price range and features. MachE was much more expensive with mark ups soltera/bz4x without tax credit as well now but also seemed lesser car to id.4
with wheels falling off and less range.

Your math is off too. It's below 50k with tax credit and it's the cheapest you can buy today. Next year likely not

Back to subject though. This had a poll. Rear right location didn't get much votes

Take Our Poll - What's The Perfect Charge Port Location?

We ask: Where should the charge port be located on plug-in electric cars? Please take our poll so that we can provide feedback to the automakers.

insideevs.com

 

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I’m usually the combative one, but you have well exceeded all of my personal limits for combativeness. I give you an A+ and I block you henceforth. Cheers!

Just giving straight facts and real concerns but it's understandable not everyone can handle it and feel they need to deviate the subject with unrelated suggestions about buying "plenty other EVs with the right plug location". Of course I already done my research and if there were even a few options with a plug location in the preferred place (left side) AND met all other criteria I would not be buying id.4.

 

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Try backing out into the main entrance of the Walmart parking lot in Oceanside where the EA chargers are “conveniently” located. Honking and swerving and accelerating like crazy past you is the norm. I get the impression that eventually someone is going to pull out a gun and shoot at me!

Sounds like a perfectly valid reason to keep the charger port where it currently is!

You convinced me I am an idiot here to raise my concern in id.4 community or even think what a terrible charger port location.

 

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My point is backing in works better there and many other places than backing out. But drive through chargers should have been the plan from the beginning just like gas stations have been since 1910!

I agree but that doesn't mean you can't back into spot if charging port would be anywhere on the left side

 

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To future proof I will be adding at least 4 outlets for 2 cars to accomodate multiple locations where the charging port might be. I don't want long cables that just creates tripping hazzard and more thick cable to deal with.

 

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Ideally, EV charging stations should be like gas pumps: drive-through.

When we get to 5-10 minute recharge sessions possibly but regardless most will be charging at home anyway

 

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As for L2 charging in a garage, the EVSE can be placed in a number of different locations, and there is not one standard placement of the charge port that would dictate where an L2 charger should be mounted in a garage.

Agree, hence I am planning to add multiple points to future proof it, but in general I don't think that rear right is an ideal charger door placement for US market. For European if they have curbside chargers it's understandable might be better fit. (I was recently in Lisbon and used one station on a busy street to fill up Toyota CHR with driver side fill door and I thought to my self that wasn't the best location) For something that you will be doing much more frequently at home, it's better suited to have on driver side (rear or front). It's simply more visible/accessible as you enter/approach the car, rather then having to walk around and occasionally forgetting that you are plugged in.

 

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I don't think we will getto a consensus on this, in my garage setup rear charging points are best as I have to walk past the cable to get to the drivers door.

I am thinking of traditional homes where garage entry from inside the house is usually at the opposite end of the actual garage door. Is your garage entry on the right rear or are you talking about backing in?

 

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I drive straight in, garage door faces west and door to house is centered on south side of garage. Power panel and charger near garage door.

Common setup in my neighborhood, allows backing out into the driveway turning around and driving forward in to roadway.

Ok this setup for sure should be easy to deal with on daily basis. For me only back in would make sense in either side