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I thought I would share this on here as I know a few others are considering this or want to shop it against the ID.4. VW better get going and get these things on sale quick. Also, check out the cool gift Ford is giving the folks who bought a First Edition.

I drove a 2021 dual motor, AWD Ford Mustang Mach-e Premium today!

Impressions:
  • Very nice car, Ford did a really nice job with it.
  • For those that may consider it but are hung up on it being called a Mustang, get over it and go check it out.

  • The center tablet is huge, maybe too big.
  • You can feel the mass of the car at first but once driving you get used to it.
  • It needs more command buttons on the steering wheel. As far as I can remember, there are just radio, wiper and cruise control in the immediate wheel hands touch areas. Nothing for displays or vehicle info options.
  • It lacked vehicle information it should definitely have. That is, economy data like average miles per gallon but for an EV, miles per Kilowatt Hour (KWH) or watts per mile (Tesla's preferred gauge). I looked everywhere through all the options and it was nowhere. You could see battery level and range but that was it. Being an EV owner/driver for about 5 years now (VW e-Golf) those are things you want to see. I think this is even more important to folks who will be considering this for their first ever EV. (update, found it reading through the owners manual, it's buried in the trip computer)
  • The battery was at 99% charge but only had 154 miles of range. It was in the upper 30's and that affects range, that is, lithium ion batteries efficiency is greatly reduced in the cold. It should be over 250 miles range normally (88 KWH battery, AWD). I believe Ford's website says 270 miles. If the vehicle efficiency information was available I would have been able to see how they have been driving it. I would have to assume people are also driving it somewhat hard to feel that 4.8 second 0-60mph acceleration.
  • Yes, I gave it a good hard "Unbridled" launch and that acceleration is strong. Unbridled is the performance mode. With the large tires, AWD and weight, it just goes. No tire spin, no squat, just a foot brake release, smooth hard pushed back in your seat acceleration. I only did this once as I was trying to see if I could get the range to increase.
  • I drove the car about 15 miles, battery went down to 93% from the 99% when I energized the vehicle. The range was 154 when starting, it only dipped to 151 when parked. Even with a hard launch and a few moments of spirited driving, I was increasing range. Again, I wish I could have seen my driving efficiency other than seeing the range not dropping drastically as I drove.
  • The one pedal driving mode was great. This is where you really only need to use the acceleration pedal and you don't need to use the brake pedal except for extreme/quicker braking. When you let off the acceleration pedal the car slows as if you are gently pressing the brakes as well. It even comes to a complete stop on its own. I did this when I needed to stop at a few traffic lights. The braking is done with the resistance of the drive motors, it also returns energy back to the drive batteries to increase range. This is a great feature for those who deal with city traffic or commuter stop and go on the daily. The driver assist options help with that as well. It also helps increase range. Another miss that Ford doesn't let you see this on the displays.
  • The driver assist options were nice and not too intrusive. It did startle me a touch when I was merging from an on ramp and my signal was no longer on, it vibrated the steering wheel on me. That was the first I felt it which reminded me it was on. I played with it a few other times to feel it out. It did a nice job keeping me in my lane and using the one pedal driving through a series of lights. With all the things you can play with on the tablet, it's a must have for the distraction it will be for some.
  • The door openers were neat. There is a little button to push and they pop out with some electric actuators. Then, you grab a little handle for the front doors or put your hand behind the edge of the door for the rear doors to pull them all the way open. I believe there should be something more there, especially on the rear doors. I see a lot of future paint scratches fumbling with kids, things in your hands, etc. Traditional door handles would be no different though.
  • The interior was very comfortable, the heated seats warmed nicely and were firm but comfortable. The heated steering wheel was nice too. Back seat had enough room that I think all three boys could sit together without too much fighting.
-It's nice having a rear hatch but the higher floor and sloped rear glass would limit what you can put in there. That is, we may not have enough room for everyone's bags for a quick family trip. The ID.4 is more practical here.
-There is a front trunk as well but not much room for anything more than some back packs or gym bags. Additionally, it requires two pulls of the hood release and a hand pull on the hood itself to open. This will be too much work for some to utilize it often. It would haul groceries nicely though.

So, my opinion. It was fun to drive and I like it but see room for improvement. The driving data information could be fixed/added with a software update. If it is a already there, it shouldn't be buried. I can bring it up with one screen touch on the e-Golf and that has been out for 7 years now. Once people get over the Mustang name and actually give it real consideration they will buy it. Unfortunately, some people just despise EV's.

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Are you still going with the ID.4?
I saw a MachE at my local dealer yesterday. I am not sure I am sold on the exterior looks still, but it is an impressive car....but the sticker was $56k...a big jump over the ID.4

Thanks for the report and information!
 

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Are you still going with the ID.4?
I saw a MachE at my local dealer yesterday. I am not sure I am sold on the exterior looks still, but it is an impressive car....but the sticker was $56k...a big jump over the ID.4

Thanks for the report and information!
The price point of the ID.4 will be easier to live with but at $56k you are getting AWD and a 88kwh battery pack. For me, I believe the ID.4 is a better fit and will be more practical.
 

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The price point of the ID.4 will be easier to live with but at $56k you are getting AWD and a 88kwh battery pack. For me, I believe the ID.4 is a better fit and will be more practical.
I feel the same way. you are getting "more" with the MachE, but for the extra $13k over the FE it is not worth it to me. And I also keep thinking of the free charging for 3 years. I travel enough to make that worth something.
 
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You inspired me to check with one of the Ford dealers near me, and they do have Mach-e's available for test drives. I've scheduled a drive for next weekend, though they would only give me a 20 minute time slot, even though they said there were no other appointments scheduled. That is hardly enough time to get a feel for the car! I have yet to ever have a good experience at a Ford dealership, so I don't have high expectations, but it does seem like a good idea to check it out just in case.
 
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You prompted me to check, my local Ford dealer shows as having a Mach-e, RWD, and they are offering it at $100 off MSRP!! Then buried in the fine print, "the vehicle is in transit".
 

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I saw the Mach-e in Delaware a few months ago when they were doing a road tour, but there was no ability to test drive or even to take a ride. You could only check it out, sit in it, and play with the screen. While it was still quite impressive in terms of perceived quality and comfort, I'm on the same page as others here that the higher price is a deterrent. While you could get the Select (230 miles) RWD for $42,895, it doesn't come with heated seats or heated steering wheel unless you add one of the comfort packages. To get one with comparable features to the base ID, you would need to add on the Comfort/Appearance package ($2300) or the Comfort/Tech package ($2600), or get the Premium version which starts at $47,000. The Premium still only gets an EPA estimated 230 miles of range, unless you add on the extended battery for another $5,000 which gets you to an EPA estimated 305 miles, but now you're over $50K...I'm not sure the added cost is worth it, though I would like to go test drive one before making a final decision. The Select with the Comfort/Tech package comes in at $45,495, which isn't too far off the ID.4 Pro Statement.
 

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And I also keep thinking of the free charging for 3 years. I travel enough to make that worth something.
The Electrify America network is pretty pathetic, though. Closest charger to me is 10 miles away. I doubt I will go there often to charge. Hope they build it out fast.
 

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The Electrify America network is pretty pathetic, though. Closest charger to me is 10 miles away. I doubt I will go there often to charge. Hope they build it out fast.
My plan is to charge 95% of the time at home and work, but I do make a 700 mile trip 3 or 4 times a year. Checked out the EA stations along the way on my last trip and they all seemed in working order, but that was without anything to plug into them! And they were spaced about every 80 miles or less along my route which seems reasonable.

I read an article a few weeks ago that they have 500 stations now with another 300 coming very soon.

But the EA network will be the same for all non-Tesla EV's and I bet will be the one that most MachE drivers use while on the road.
 
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The Electrify America network is pretty pathetic, though. Closest charger to me is 10 miles away. I doubt I will go there often to charge. Hope they build it out fast.
Pathetic is an understatement. There are only 2 EA chargers in my state (Maine) with one more being installed. The nearest one to me is 75 miles away.
 

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The Electrify America network is pretty pathetic, though. Closest charger to me is 10 miles away. I doubt I will go there often to charge. Hope they build it out fast.
You think 10 miles away is unacceptable?
 

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The Electrify America network is pretty pathetic, though. Closest charger to me is 10 miles away. I doubt I will go there often to charge. Hope they build it out fast.
Pathetic is a strong word. For large parts of the US, EA coverage just about matches Tesla. If you live in the Dakotas or Maine, ya, it's pathetic. But having a DC fast charging station within 10 mile is a luxury most people don't have, be it EA or Tesla.
 

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The Electrify America network is pretty pathetic, though. Closest charger to me is 10 miles away. I doubt I will go there often to charge. Hope they build it out fast.
i don鈥檛 know how Electrify America鈥檚 network is for long trips, but it鈥檚 starting to look adequate here in San Diego. I watched Electrify America take what seemed like 4-6 months to construct a charging station in a Bank of America parking lot about a mile from my house. I think they picked a good location - a walkable neighborhood, near shops and restaurants, and across the street from a library. More importantly, there are apartments and condos nearby, so people who can鈥檛 charge at home will have a convenient place to do so.
 

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I would be happy to be corrected on this, but I think that many people do not understand the "free" Electrify America charging. Only the DC fast charging will be free; the Level 2 (240V AC) will not be free. The EA network is designed for road trips, not commuters. In-town, I expect you will find more Level 2 chargers and out on the interstate you will find more DC chargers. (If your daily commute takes you by a DC charger, you are in luck -- no one will ask where you plan to go with the voltage.) My nearest EA DC charger is about 85 miles away, but from there to my usual destination (Salt Lake City, 900 miles away), they are spaced just about right.
 

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I would be happy to be corrected on this, but I think that many people do not understand the "free" Electrify America charging. Only the DC fast charging will be free; the Level 2 (240V AC) will not be free. The EA network is designed for road trips, not commuters. In-town, I expect you will find more Level 2 chargers and out on the interstate you will find more DC chargers. (If your daily commute takes you by a DC charger, you are in luck -- no one will ask where you plan to go with the voltage.) My nearest EA DC charger is about 85 miles away, but from there to my usual destination (Salt Lake City, 900 miles away), they are spaced just about right.
I wasn鈥檛 aware of the DC fast charging restriction. Although when I look at the Electrify America map, their urban charging stations around here have DC fast charging.
 

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The VWoA site says that the ID4 "comes with 3 years of unlimited charging at Electrify America DC Fast Chargers at no additional cost." (Emphasis added.) But I should have looked more closely at the EA map. Looking again, every site I looked at, whether in the city or along the interstate, the CCS fast chargers outnumbered the Level 2 chargers. But if you get to an EA station and find all the CCS chargers in use, the slow Level 2 will still cost you.
 

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The VWoA site says that the ID4 "comes with 3 years of unlimited charging at Electrify America DC Fast Chargers at no additional cost." (Emphasis added.) But I should have looked more closely at the EA map. Looking again, every site I looked at, whether in the city or along the interstate, the CCS fast chargers outnumbered the Level 2 chargers. But if you get to an EA station and find all the CCS chargers in use, the slow Level 2 will still cost you.
My experience is that finding all of them in use usually won't be a problem. And I should add that most people would probably wait for DCFC rather than use L2. just because of how much faster DCFC is.
 

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The Electrify America network is pretty pathetic, though. Closest charger to me is 10 miles away. I doubt I will go there often to charge. Hope they build it out fast.
Only 10 miles for 70+ free KWH's that isn't bad at all. My closest EA charger is about 60 miles from me.
 

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The VWoA site says that the ID4 "comes with 3 years of unlimited charging at Electrify America DC Fast Chargers at no additional cost." (Emphasis added.) But I should have looked more closely at the EA map. Looking again, every site I looked at, whether in the city or along the interstate, the CCS fast chargers outnumbered the Level 2 chargers. But if you get to an EA station and find all the CCS chargers in use, the slow Level 2 will still cost you.
I just did a chat with VW regarding the nuances of that phrasing. They will get back to me with the answer.
 
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