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The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam
Wyoming Republicans proposed a bill to phase out EV sales.
The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam
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I try to base the vast majority of my purchases, vehicle or otherwise, on practicality and value. I would guess most of us here in this forum find that dollar for dollar, electric vehicles to be vastly superior products compared to their ICE cousins. I think if people were honest with themselves, with no pre-conceived notions and putting politics aside, were to drive an EV with an open mind would choose similarly over an ICE in the majority of cases. I think EV sales are starting to and will eventually bear that out.
That said, I think it's sad when politics get in the way of making practical consumer choices, red or blue.
That said, I think it's sad when politics get in the way of making practical consumer choices, red or blue.
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If Wyoming disappeared altogether, would you Americans miss it?
Ask someone in Alberta.
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They'd probably want to absorb it.
Aside from the crazy politics Wyoming is quite a beautiful part of the country.
Montana is in the way!
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Wyoming politics is no more crazy than California politics. Lets keep politics out of this forum.
It's one the most beautiful states i have ever visited, just spend a few days at the Grand Teton or Yellowstone and people are very nice.
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Absorb that also? Dunno.
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It’s also a place to conceal LLC just like Delaware.
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Indeed. The first time I drove through Wyoming, many years ago, it looked exactly how I envisioned it from the many western-cowboy books I read as a youth. Beautiful indeed. 
It was windy that day as well.
btw: This is obviously a politics-slanted thread (which really shouldn't have been started @His_Stigness ) and as we avoid same here we Mod's are watching it and will close if it strays too far out of lane (LKA?). Don't be "that guy."
It was windy that day as well.
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btw: This is obviously a politics-slanted thread (which really shouldn't have been started @His_Stigness ) and as we avoid same here we Mod's are watching it and will close if it strays too far out of lane (LKA?). Don't be "that guy."
I completely agree. In my opinion banning EVs is just as crazy as banning ICE vehicles.
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California always leads the U.S. car industry, catalytic converters/emission limits/unleaded gas, and so it is a shot across the bow of the auto industry. But in these days of division everywhere I think they should have just sent a memo to the auto manufacturers. Electric vehicles can be something that we can all agree on, especially since most of us will own at least one by the end of the decade.
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It's not going to be necessary to ban ICEs, the price of gasoline will drive them out of the marketplace.
"In the next several years, the fuel industry is poised to cut supply faster than the drop in demand, with more plants due to shut or convert to smaller biofuels facilities. The result could be production crunches for gasoline, price spikes or even limited outages because of the mismatch. Paradoxically for drivers, it’s gasoline’s slow death that will make it painful. ...oil refiners, who turn crude into useable fuels, are already cutting back to stay profitable. The supply losses were exacerbated because of pandemic-induced shutdowns. Since gasoline plants are destined to become uneconomical stranded assets as demand fades, there’s little incentive to increase output from them now."
There are currently about 290 million cars on the road in the US. A relatively insignificant percentage of those are EVs. And, over the next 5-10 years, my guess is that the sales of new cars here will be below 10% for EVs. ICEs will remain the dominant powertrain for the national fleet for some time ( decades). Gasoline is a commodity and the capacity is carefully balance with demand. Also, refineries have been shutting down for years and this has had essentially no impact on the price of gas. Other factors are more significant such as geopolitical issues for crude. And, the fact that a significant premium must be paid to obtain an EV vs. an equivalent ICE car, this will have a slowing effect on adoption of EVs. It takes some time to get your money back on the EV premium assuming one can afford that premium. Most people cannot. Toyota has been very cautious about EVs and may not be as wrong as some believe.
ICEs have their place and are more practical for longer trips and if living in less developed areas. They cost significantly less up front which is a real advantage for most buyers.
EVs are the perfect tool for driving in developed areas, for short trips where range is not a big factor, even in winter where not getting your ICE up to full operating temperature is an issue.
I intend to have one of each in the future.
ICEs have their place and are more practical for longer trips and if living in less developed areas. They cost significantly less up front which is a real advantage for most buyers.
EVs are the perfect tool for driving in developed areas, for short trips where range is not a big factor, even in winter where not getting your ICE up to full operating temperature is an issue.
I intend to have one of each in the future.
Good point.
Some actual numbers: of the 30 million light duty vehicles registered in California, 1.7% are BEV and 1% are plug-in hybrids.
This is despite the latest monthly vehicle sales in the state being comprised of 17% BEV and 3% PHEV.
So 2022 saw California cross the half-million registered EVs mark, and the next half-million will come much more quickly. But it's a long road to approach 30 million, especially when for ever EV sold, four gassers drive off the dealership lots (although this ratio is changing monthly).
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US EV market projected to increase by 20% thanks to recent climate initiatives
Are you noticing more electric vehicles driving by on your daily commute? It’s not just you. The US EV market...
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