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Thoughts on the new Prius???

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St00k

Discussion Starter · 7 mo ago

I think it actually looks surprisingly good.

Modern but not too odd.

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I'm not sure any info is out yet. Just pics.

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VW TECHNICIAN

· #21 · 7 mo ago

Ti

Atlant said:
By the way, my city just charged me about US$800 as their yearly tax for me registering the ID.4. It will be a bit less next year as the car depreciates but that particular property tax never goes to zero. And yes, that's aside from the state's annual vehicle registration fee.

(Low taxes my @ss)

Time to move out to state that doesn't charge property taxes for vehicles....On road taxes will be next thing for EV vehicles. They need to collect taxes to maintain roads ( because EV dosent buy fuel at the gas station where taxes are already attached on each gallon of fuel).

Atlant

· #22 · 7 mo ago

VW TECHNICIAN said:
Ti

Time to move out to state that doesn't charge property taxes for vehicles....On road taxes will be next thing for EV vehicles. They need to collect taxes to maintain roads ( because EV dosent buy fuel at the gas station where taxes are already attached on each gallon of fuel).

I ended up living in New Hampshire because 1) my company once promised that my job was being relocated here (and several job changes within that company later, it eventually was located here) and 2) Housing prices are about half of what they are across the border in Massachusetts.

But yes, lots of retirees leave New Hampshire because its refusal to tax income or to impose a general sales tax means that taxes are raised from the Property Tax on houses and a slew of nuisance taxes. We're considering leaving as well but right now, my job is here and I like my job very much.

I have encouraged my State Legislators (one of whom was my wife) that it is time to scrap the state gasoline tax and replace it with a tax based on yearly miles driven and vehicle weight.

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VW TECHNICIAN

· #23 · 7 mo ago

Atlant said:
I ended up living in New Hampshire because 1) my company once promised that my job was being relocated here (and several job changes within that company later, it eventually was located here) and 2) Housing prices are about half of what they are across the border in Massachusetts.

But yes, lots of retirees leave New Hampshire because its refusal to tax income or to impose a general sales tax means that taxes are raised from the Property Tax on houses and a slew of nuisance taxes. We're considering leaving as well but right now, my job is here and I like my job very much.

I have encouraged my State Legislators (one of whom was my wife) that it is time to scrap the state gasoline tax and replace it with a tax based on yearly miles driven and vehicle weight.

Let's hope your lady listening.
I found interesting US as country....
I have heard for states that in some states if you buy motor coach you are not paying any state taxes or property taxes on this expensive toys. One of the reasons why me as German have invested a lot in Spain because taxes in Spain are much cheaper.
Most of EU countries have no taxes on property values, there is small property tax on land.... nothing like what people here in US market paying.

jgoodnough

· #24 · 7 mo ago

Toyota seems hell-bent on denying climate induced change. Nearly every manufacturer has announced the end to ICE cars in the not-terribly distant future. Mr. Toyoda thinks his company will be the only one offering hybrid-ICE cars to the hold-outs who refuse to switch to EV's. That may not be the best strategy when the price of gas hits $10-15 gallon which may quickly follow mass adoption of EV's.

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VW TECHNICIAN

· #25 · 7 mo ago

jgoodnough said:
Toyota seems hell-bent on denying climate induced change. Nearly every manufacturer has announced the end to ICE cars in the not-terribly distant future. Mr. Toyoda thinks his company will be the only one offering hybrid-ICE cars to the hold-outs who refuse to switch to EV's. That may not be the best strategy when the price of gas hits $10-15 gallon which may quickly follow mass adoption of EV's.

You don't really see clear picture....in other parts of world and even in developed countries EV are not yet way to switch entirely to the battery operated vehicles.
Toyota started hybrid technology before many manufacturers believed or wanted to make better world. ICE engines will still be around.

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jgoodnough

· #26 · 7 mo ago

VW TECHNICIAN said:
You don't really see clear picture....in other parts of world and even in developed countries EV are not yet way to switch entirely to the battery operated vehicles.
Toyota started hybrid technology before many manufacturers believed or wanted to make better world. ICE engines will still be around.

Arguably, Toyota attained it's world leader status by selling cars in the US which they came to dominate. I realize they sell cars in many other countries but how many cars by comparison to the US?

In 2021 Toyota sold 2.6 million cars in North America (US and Canada). They sold 1.9 million in China which has also banned gas cars in 2035. Many European countries have also banned gas cars and Toyota sold 1.3 million cars there. That's a total of 5.5 million cars sold into countries that have already laid out their timeline for banning ICE cars. Many of the other countries that Toyota sells into import less than 100k cars per year. That's not even a month of sales in the US. If Toyota is depending upon all those small countries to bulk up their sales, they must be planning to become a much smaller company.

Dougie01

· #27 · 7 mo ago

New Prius is a great car for 2005.

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VW TECHNICIAN

· #28 · 7 mo ago

jgoodnough said:
Arguably, Toyota attained it's world leader status by selling cars in the US which they came to dominate. I realize they sell cars in many other countries but how many cars by comparison to the US?

In 2021 Toyota sold 2.6 million cars in North America (US and Canada). They sold 1.9 million in China which has also banned gas cars in 2035. Many European countries have also banned gas cars and Toyota sold 1.3 million cars there. That's a total of 5.5 million cars sold into countries that have already laid out their timeline for banning ICE cars. Many of the other countries that Toyota sells into import less than 100k cars per year. That's not even a month of sales in the US. If Toyota is depending upon all those small countries to bulk up their sales, they must be planning to become a much smaller company.

They have good logic behind....they are selling vehicle that working class can afford.
50+ k vehicle like what is happening on EV side is not going to help with this type of people. For US national average for used vehicle's and majority is able to buy is 17k.
EV are still not for every lifestyle you can throw at it. Many families don't or cant afford two vehicle's. One for go around and one when there is need for type of trip that EV cannot take. California is already facing issues with electricity to the state.... Texas will face much worse if infrastructure is not getting up to the demand..... Many EU countries are not finding right solution to get charged all EV if everyone is going for EV.
Toyota is privately owned company and it is focused to the society. Manufacturers that are shared by stock holders are not after affordable prices or helping society, they only care for 15-20% profit. Hybrid propulsion will definitely be needed for big SUV or pickups if you want to get what this vehicle's are designed for.
Electric big SUV and pickups will not work for many people who need this vehicle to do more than running around for groceries or getting out to town for a drink.

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WolfpackBill

· #29 · 7 mo ago

The Prius looks great!! To be honest, if Toyota came out with this a year ago, I'd be all over it. I had a 2010 with 195k miles when I sold it earlier this year due to engine misfiring so it was time to go.

Dougie01

· #30 · 7 mo ago

The 2022 Prius MSRP ranges from $26k to $35k depending on options. That's not exactly cheap.

VW TECHNICIAN

· #31 · 7 mo ago

Dougie01 said:
The 2022 Prius MSRP ranges from $26k to $35k depending on options. That's not exactly cheap.

There will be discounts coming in near future.....

agzand

· #32 · 7 mo ago

It is highly doubtful that the current BEV technology will replace the entire passenger car fleet anytime soon. I personally believe we need a breakthrough in battery technology to get to that point. We need batteries that are at least 50% better in terms of cost, volume, and weight to get to that point. Once you have those batteries, you can make very compelling PHEVs (for example Prius Prime can have 60 mile range), so PHEVs could survive for a lot longer.

Huey52

· #33 · 7 mo ago

Yep, batteries have always been and continue to be the Achilles' heal of BEV's. That's one reason I used to be so interested in hydrogen fuel cells, but they have their own host of issues, both user technical and lacking infrastructure.

Li-ion was the breakthrough that ultimately enabled our current smartphones, among many other things. I'm confident there will be another breakthrough.

On subject I was never a Prius fan as relatively short range and soul sucking lack of performance and aesthetics. But I do like the looks of the latest model. Performance remains to be proven.

agzand said:
It is highly doubtful that the current BEV technology will replace the entire passenger car fleet anytime soon. I personally believe we need a breakthrough in battery technology to get to that point. We need batteries that are at least 50% better in terms of cost, volume, and weight to get to that point. Once you have those batteries, you can make very compelling PHEVs (for example Prius Prime can have 60 mile range), so PHEVs could survive for a lot longer.

Atlant

· #34 · 7 mo ago

agzand said:
It is highly doubtful that the current BEV technology will replace the entire passenger car fleet anytime soon. I personally believe we need a breakthrough in battery technology to get to that point. We need batteries that are at least 50% better in terms of cost, volume, and weight to get to that point. Once you have those batteries, you can make very compelling PHEVs (for example Prius Prime can have 60 mile range), so PHEVs could survive for a lot longer.

The only argument against PHEVs is that they are mechanically quite a bit more complex*. But for most users, they offer the best of both worlds: If the battery range is (say) 50-100 miles (80-160 km), the user can do nearly all of their driving on electricity but they still have easy access to unlimited range when they need it. And 5 or 6 cars can be produced with 50 mile batteries as compared to one pure-BEV car with a big battery.

* Well, one could argue that they postpone the world getting all cars off of oil, but they decrease oil consumption A LOT.

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Huey52

· #35 · 7 mo ago

Case in point for why so many would appreciate a radio volume knob and discrete rear window buttons.

"Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should do a thing."

PHEV certainly reduces/eliminates range anxiety but hauling around a seldom used system (for me anyway) is non-engineering elegant. I refer to PHEV as the plasma TV of the automotive world as it's a 'stop gap' marketing implementation.

Atlant said:
The only argument against PHEVs is that they are mechanically quite a bit more complex*. But for most users, they offer the best of both worlds: If the battery range is (say) 50-100 miles (80-160 km), the user can do nearly all of their driving on electricity but they still have easy access to unlimited range when they need it. And 5 or 6 cars can be produced with 50 mile batteries as compared to one pure-BEV car with a big battery.

* Well, one could argue that they postpone the world getting all cars off of oil, but they decrease oil consumption A LOT.

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Atlant

· #36 · 7 mo ago

Huey52 said:
"Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should do a thing."

I need to know: Are you quoting Kurtwood Smith as the Federation President in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country?

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Atlant

· #37 · 7 mo ago

Huey52 said:
PHEV certainly reduces/eliminates range anxiety but hauling around a seldom used system (for me anyway) is non-engineering elegant. I refer to PHEV as the plasma TV of the automotive world as it's a 'stop gap' marketing implementation.

I agree that its inelegant but I can't think of a better solution for the moment and the use of smaller batteries might really be a good thing for a while.

(Hydrogen Fuel Cells instead of ICEs would be a much more elegant solution but we're not going to get there because of 1) the non-existing hydrogen distribution infrastructure and 2) the need for expensive metals in the fuel cells. The Toyota Mirai remains nothing but a nice dream.)

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Huey52

· #38 · 7 mo ago

Likely

I have this weird memory for TV/movie script lines. 🤷‍♂️ But more so an appreciation for good writing.

Atlant said:
I need to know: Are you quoting Kurtwood Smith as the Federation President in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country?

Atlant

· #39 · 7 mo ago

Huey52 said:
Likely I have this weird memory for TV/movie script lines. 🤷‍♂️ But more so an appreciation for good writing.

Here too! My wife and I have a very deep repertoire of movie quotes that we share with each other.

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Huey52

· #40 · 7 mo ago

Iceland has done fuel cells right, but they early on addressed the entirety of the supporting infrastructure, cleverly using their "free" geothermal to produce hydrogen.

Yes, just a dream for us (US). The biggest problem with the Mirai is the hydrogen nozzle freezing up (a Boyle's Law thing).

Atlant said:
I agree that its inelegant but I can't think of a better solution for the moment and the use of smaller batteries might really be a good thing for a while.

(Hydrogen Fuel Cells instead of ICEs would be a much more elegant solution but we're not going to get there because of 1) the non-existing hydrogen distribution infrastructure and 2) the need for expensive metals in the fuel cells. The Toyota Mirai remains nothing but a nice dream.)

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