Bjørn Nyland is doing winter range testing with the ID. Buzz 82 kWh model.
-
Add Yours: VW ID. Buzz Owner's Registry
Volkswagen ID. Buzz Winter Range
Joined
·
4,412 Posts
I like this YouTube person.... he is honest and has clever ideas and what he uses to access many other informations when doing testings.
And from his phone app, i see carscanner app on many vehicles.
And from his phone app, i see carscanner app on many vehicles.
Joined
·
1,570 Posts
The European usage of the term "air conditioning" includes both heating and cooling. It's never used like that in the US.
Also would point out that -4 C is about 25 F, which is not all that cold--at least for Colorado. It's not at all uncommon to get into the single digits F here, and well below zero in the mountains. Pretty much every morning for most of the winter it is below freezing.
Also would point out that -4 C is about 25 F, which is not all that cold--at least for Colorado. It's not at all uncommon to get into the single digits F here, and well below zero in the mountains. Pretty much every morning for most of the winter it is below freezing.
Bjorns video reviews are honest and entertaining if nothing else. He makes me laugh with his running commentary.
I especially like the one where he deliberately runs out of battery in the ID.Buzz and strands himself on the side of the road. He then attempts to charge the ID.Buzz using two suitcase size inverter power banks he was carrying in the back. It worked somewhat poorly.....just enough to get him to the next fast charger.
I especially like the one where he deliberately runs out of battery in the ID.Buzz and strands himself on the side of the road. He then attempts to charge the ID.Buzz using two suitcase size inverter power banks he was carrying in the back. It worked somewhat poorly.....just enough to get him to the next fast charger.
The battery is over 30°C (~90°F). Also interesting, the battery inlet temp was 18°C, so not actively heating the battery.
According to the video he was on his way back from his arctic circle run so he'd have been on the road a while with several prior DCFC sessions.
I wish we had battery preconditioning.
Joined
·
9 Posts
I'm cautiously optimistic my future EV (several still on order, including ID.4, now for the past 8 months) will be able to meet my expectations in this type of weather. We haven't had a particularly cold northeast winter in a while, but we already have had a stretch of <25F weather for the past few days. Late January into February usually brings a few week-long stretches of <0F. I'd love to have more sub-zero F (-20C and below) temperature data to put my mind at ease that this car won't be a mistake.
Joined
·
2,019 Posts
Driving my usual commute (1/2 time at ~75 MPH, 1/2 time at ~40 MPH), the initial Guess-O-Meter reading on my 2021 AWD Pro S is down to 151 miles in the mornings. This morning it was 21°F / -6°C in New Hampshire.
Heatpump is crucial for keeping decent range in winter. VW ID.4s in this test were NOT equipped with a heatpump:
.png)
Winter & Cold Weather EV Range Loss in 7,000 Cars
The bad news is that all electric cars experience some degree of range loss in cold weather. The good news is that this range loss is temporary.
www.recurrentauto.com
Joined
·
2,019 Posts
When you're down below freezing, I'm not sure a heat pump helps.Heatpump is crucial for keeping decent range in winter. VW ID.4s in this test were NOT equipped with a heatpump:
Winter & Cold Weather EV Range Loss in 7,000 Cars
The bad news is that all electric cars experience some degree of range loss in cold weather. The good news is that this range loss is temporary.
What probably DOES help, at least a little, is to recycle the waste heat from the drive into the passenger compartment (assuming that there's any to spare after heating the battery). But the ID.4 doesn't do that, either.
I can verify that when I pre-heat my ID.4 when attached to my juiceBox, it pulls 5kW.
Joined
·
11 Posts
I wonder how much heat is really there to use. My cooling loop temperature always hovers slightly above ambient in the winter.
Joined
·
2,019 Posts
'Depends whether it's dumping all to the radiator or not, doesn't it?
Joined
·
434 Posts
One reason R744 is making a comeback. Heat pumps designed to operate down in the -20C range are dependent on R744 to get a useful COP at those temps.
I wonder the same.
Joined
·
11 Posts
The heat pump version actually uses the battery and drive unit heat. See the last few pages of this presentation.
Joined
·
2,019 Posts
FYI: The 2011-2016 Volts use the same 5KW value.
Joined
·
2,019 Posts
Frost build up in the evaporator is still a problem and no refrigerant can beat Sadi Carnot.
1 - 20 of 41 Posts
