[salant76]

Chris of Battery Life will be doing a live range and charge tests of the ID.3 Pro S 77 kWh on Sunday. This hopefully will give an idea on real range of the ID.4.

When he adds additional videos of the 77 kWh ID.3 will post them here as well.

 

[Mark Magiera]

seems he only has the Pro S for the day with enough hours to do the 130kmh test run he usually does. Stats on the Pro S are only 60kg more than his 1st Plus & less than the 1st Max that Nyland uploaded yesterday. I think both will get their hands on 4's before we see them State-side.

 

[salant76]

Here is the actual live video. I guess the car he is driving has 18" winter tires on it.

 

[salant76]

Chris just posted this

 

[Mark Magiera]

The charge curve witnessed, confirmed my speculation that the 77kwh pack would ramp up to 125kW & hold until that 33/34%. Then see a smooth & steady decline in power to 65kW @72-73% and HOLD at that power intake level (plateau) until 82%. At which point the packs battery management will gently throttle down the input to 27kW in a arching curve til 100%.

 

[eldecarlo]

So what are we looking at for range do you think? I think we will be closer to 275. But maybe I’m just hopeful.......

 

[Mark Magiera]

Everything points to about 225 miles at Interstate speeds (with HVAC running)

For the Battery Life test & tests from TB database: Consumption at 20.8 kW/100km = 3.1 miles/kW @ 74mph (120km/h) on the ID3. Consumption for the 90km/h (55mph) was at about 14-15kW/100km = 4.1-4.4 miles/kW. So I am of the thought that consumption @65mph will be in the area of 17.5kW/100km = 3.6 miles/kW.

Again, these numbers are for the ID3. The ID4 is 9-10% heavier with a different drag coefficient with the same motor. So the decimal points are going to be a few ticks lower.

I am of the thought that, unladen & hypermiling folks will see a max pack range of 277 miles (100% --> 0%). Nobody really does this "regularly" 😇 to their EV. VW is sayin 250 miles per full pack charge for range. If you want to bank on the ID3 numbers, you have range confidence.

Oh & as an afterthought: realize that abetterrouteplanner already has the ID4 in its database. So you can play around with that, making some trips with your local area to familiarize yourself with how the ID4 may perform with your local terrain in mind.

 

[eldecarlo]

Thank you! Most of that was over my head, but I get the gist of it.

 

[salant76]

I have owned an e-Golf for nearly 8 months now and my average consumption is 5.1 miles/Kw which is much higher than the EPA rating (3.5 miles/Kw average).

The only time I get below the EPA rating is going at highway speeds in hilly areas of Vermont and New Hampshire.

My 288 mile trip to Bar Harbor I got around 4 which includes highway speeds of 70 mph.

Seems to me if you drive posted highway speeds and do a mix of local roads and highway driving it should easily do 280 miles. For people like me that do a lot of secondary roads getting 350 miles on a full charge is very possible. Which would be great.

 

[Mark Magiera]

I have owned an e-Golf for nearly 8 months now and my average consumption is 5.1 miles/Kw which is much higher than the EPA rating (3.5 miles/Kw average).

The only time I get below the EPA rating is going at highway speeds in hilly areas of Vermont and New Hampshire.

My 288 mile trip to Bar Harbor I got around 4 which includes highway speeds of 70 mph.

Seems to me if you drive posted highway speeds and do a mix of local roads and highway driving it should easily do 280 miles. For people like me that do a lot of secondary roads getting 350 miles on a full charge is very possible. Which would be great.

Yeah, I also have an e-Golf & it floats from 5.1-5.9 miles/kW. I travel from Montpelier to Sebago, by way of the Kancamagus & see 5.9 miles/kW, even with the mountains & all the regen. Whereas Sebago to Montpelier, by way of St. J, we are getting 4.2 (& need to DC charge 5 min in Danbury to get home).

However to make it from Montpelier to Manchester & arrive with hardly any juice left we can't go over 55 on I-89. Alas, the e-Golf has its place/ uses & we very much like ours. Plan to keep it too.

 

[salant76]

Here is his charging test.

 

[salant76]

@Mark Magiera,

Are you going with RWD or AWD? Like to see what other members in the North East are going with.

 

[Mark Magiera]

@Mark Magiera,

Are you going with RWD or AWD? Like to see what other members in the North East are going with.

When I 1st started looking at the ID series, it was before I got my e-Golf & I was all about the AWD option. I live in the land of Subaru's & I think an AWD EV priced at the predominate Subi market is going to get them into a VW ID. Then, I got the e-Golf (FWD) & after 2 winters with Hakkapeliitta 9's/ 2 summers with Ecopia's; a RWD EV setup with the same considerations (studded snows in winter). I will totally be fine. However I have 35 winters of experience at driving.

Heck, my 1st purchased vehicle was a '94'yota 4x2 Xcab 2WD pickup with a ICE4banger-stick. 20 winters & only slid off the road 3X over 3 consecutive winters (all in the green mountains of Ripton, VT) & never once did I need to "ballast the bed." Best way to rot out a truck is to put wet sandbags in it over the winter... If I were commuting over App Gap (VT) daily, I would need 4WD. In truth, you don't. And my POV comes also after residing in Cumberland Cty, Maine for 3 years too.

Being a smaht New Englander. We know that "all season tires" is a contradiction in terms & also an oxymoron. Plus when I lived in Maine, I could set a clock to MaineDOT (during a storm) on Rt. 302. (every 40 minutes/ separately/each way). Side roads are town serviced every 12hrs or every 4" down.

Just an IMHO...

 

[emtonsti]

I'm converted to snow tires, now all Michelin X-Ice Xi3s. We can get some pretty harsh winter weather in suburban/rural upstate, NY. Since going EV from my Subi Outback in 2014, I've been all FWD, no problems with snow tires. More than a couple to few inches on the road, and I wait for the plows to come through, also not commuting to work anymore (semi-retired/home office, which used to be unusual, not anymore!).