The Hyundai/Kia have been discussed in other threads, however I'm not sure I understand what about them makes the ID.4 "outdated". We don't know price, can't order them, aren't sure what features will be offered when they do become available in the US, and what (likely) features are different aren't necessary for everyone.
Every EV on the horizon makes currently available cars look outdated. The technology in this sector is improving by leaps and bounds every few months now that its caught the attention of mainstream automakers. Kia is targeting an early 2022 launch in the US. I'd hazard a guess that the timeline is a bit optimistic and that most US consumers won't see an EV6 until summer 2022 or later. If you can afford to wait until the EV6, its probably worth it. Although, right about when you will take delivery, there will probably be a new car being teased with more range, faster charging, improved driver assistance, etc.
I'm afraid it's not going to move the needle on affordability. The starting price for reservations in England equals $56,100 and in Germany equals $52,700.
That's why leasing is the better option for those that need the latest and greatest. I agree that EV6 is going to be tough to come by through 2022 if at all as I think I read Kia is allocating only 20,000 to North America.
Exactly. We live in a world with easily 17+ compact SUVs on the market. Why can't there be several BEVs with each having different strengths and targeting different people. I've not seen anything from the Ioniq 5 or EV6 that makes me regret the ID 4 in the least. The design of both are very cool and hip and totally not for me. 800v system w/ faster DCFC is a neat trick but I really don't care since I won't use it very often and at best it will save me 15-30 min. Vehicle to grid is nice and the ability to power a toaster in the woods is fine but certainly not game changers. Even when solid state arrives in 3 to 5 years and ranges go up a lot as long as my car does what I need I'll be fine. No EV envy here.
Plus the Vehicle to Grid at least on the Euro Spec Ioniq 5 models are only an option on their top spec model. Still think that both Ioniq 5 and EV6 are going to be much more expensive and based on all reports are going to be limited in availability. Also, I am concerned that these cars having much longer wheelbases and width will be harder to drive in parking lots and narrow roads.
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One difference, if it matters to anyone, is cargo capacity. The id.4 is 30 cu ft/64 cu ft (seats down) and the EV6 is 18 cu ft/ 46 cu ft.
The exterior of the IONIQ 5 is 2 inches longer than the ID.4, and the EV6, at 184.2 inches, is 4 inches longer than the ID.4. I think I'd prefer the smaller exterior dimensions (at least the length) of the ID.4.
That is misleading - you are quoting European cargo measurement for the Ioniq vs U.S. measurement for the ID.4. The ID.4 VDA is 543 L (19.2 ft³) (granted it will be larger overall as the roof doesn't slope as much).
What you don’t live your life a quarter mile at a time like Vin Diesel?
I think this is a US thing. I have never been influenced by 0 to 60 times. Nobody in their right mind drives like that. I feel it is a promotional gimmick. I also believe range anxiety is over played. 98% of my driving is less than 50 miles at a time. In the past year I have taken a few round trips of less than 200 miles.
YES!
But if it were not for Tesla we would not be where we are today.
That is true, and I admire them for that. Elon’s sheer tenacity and big vision is amazing. Doesn’t make their numbers game better, however.
The Kia definitely looks like a more upscale vehicle than the ID4. Both in terms of cost and features.
