[Stinsy]

I’ve said it before on here: why is everyone so upset that it’s a minivan? What were they expecting?

 

[epl]

I’ve said it before on here: why is everyone so upset that it’s a minivan? What were they expecting?

IDK - Maybe a 4 cylinder boxer engine with 27 HP?

Personally, I like what I see so far.

 

[Huey52]

I think so in the context of what they had to do in terms of modern safety and aerodynamics. Safety in the original bus was woefully short of what it is today, but then at its pedestrian 'speed' not as much of a safety nor aerodynamics concern.

And I do think it's more mini-bus like than mini-van like. Although of course most Buzz customers are likely to be those looking for a mini-van but wanting a touch of VW nostalgia.

Speaking of nostalgia, as a kid when my next door neighbor would finally make it to the top of her steep driveway in her early model Bus and then proceed down the street I could walk faster while waving to her. As her husband was a partner in one of the first Porsche/VW dealerships in our area he ultimately installed a rebuilt Porsche engine and that made as you would expect a significant positive difference. The Buzz won't have that issue!

You really think so? I've been waiting for this bus for like 10 years now and it's looking like a mini-van. I don't mind a mini-van, talked my wife into looking at a Pacifica even though we didn't end up buying one, but it seems to land more on that side of the spectrum than a classic air-cooled bus.

Mini-vans haven't been strong sellers in the US for decades so I'm not sure this will sell gang-busters like I thought a Type II.b was going to be.

 

[artgpo]

While the production model is much different than the prototype we saw for a few years it is still a winner. Whether or not people will pay $60-$70,000 is another story. If it comes in reasonably equipped at $55,000 it might be a huge hit. I am basing my opinion on the fact that in the last quarter of 2021 GM announced the average sales transaction was $56,000. That amount is WAAAY more than my practical, trendy, brand new 1965 green Beetle. Out the door new from Holbert's Garage VW @$1,965. Of course that is the equivalent of $17,391.93 today adjusted for inflation.

 

[MikeQBF]

While the production model is much different than the prototype we saw for a few years it is still a winner. Whether or not people will pay $60-$70,000 is another story. If it comes in reasonably equipped at $55,000 it might be a huge hit. I am basing my opinion on the fact that in the last quarter of 2021 GM announced the average sales transaction was $56,000. That amount is WAAAY more than my practical, trendy, brand new 1965 green Beetle. Out the door new from Holbert's Garage VW @$1,965. Of course that is the equivalent of $17,391.93 today adjusted for inflation.

And there you have it - a capsule summary of safety- and tech-induced price creep. Life used to be so simple... and a lot less safe. And then there was the every 2000-mile valve adjustment the old boxer engines required. DIY, great, paying somebody to do it, not so much.

My personal cutoff for the New Microbus will be that $55K you suggested. With others like Canoo - admittedly vaporware at this point - targeting $35-40K, if VW goes too much above $50K interest will wane even from the nostalgia contingent.

 

[Stinsy]

And there you have it - a capsule summary of safety- and tech-induced price creep. Life used to be so simple... and a lot less safe. And then there was the every 2000-mile valve adjustment the old boxer engines required. DIY, great, paying somebody to do it, not so much.

My personal cutoff for the New Microbus will be that $55K you suggested. With others like Canoo - admittedly vaporware at this point - targeting $35-40K, if VW goes too much above $50K interest will wane even from the nostalgia contingent.

I think it'll be comfortably in the $75k price bracket.

 

[Dougie01]

IDK - Maybe a 4 cylinder boxer engine with 27 HP?

The old microbuses were also cheap. Even broke hippies could afford them. I paid $500 for my '67 model in 1974.

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

OMG the frunk (or lack thereof)! I kinda love it because it's so clear why there's no space there.

With the ID.4 everyone complains that VW should have tried harder because even though the hood on the VW is way shorter than the Tesla 3/Y and Mach-E, it's hard to really see how much less overhang the VW has. With the Buzz, it's so clear.

I always don't get the Frunk idea. Who would put anything valuable in that impact crush zone??

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

Looks like LWB and SWB versions to me...

Looks like just the angle.

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

Model Y is 7 inches longer than the ID4. Every bit matters in a garage. Personally I need all the space I can get for equipment for my wife's business. The buzz might get us a bit more space if we got one to replace our current ICE minivan.

How often do you use your frunk, if I may ask?

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Edit: Sorry, thought you said "My model Y", then I went back and look again...

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

You really think so? I've been waiting for this bus for like 10 years now and it's looking like a mini-van. I don't mind a mini-van, talked my wife into looking at a Pacifica even though we didn't end up buying one, but it seems to land more on that side of the spectrum than a classic air-cooled bus.

Mini-vans haven't been strong sellers in the US for decades so I'm not sure this will sell gang-busters like I thought a Type II.b was going to be.

Maybe a off road van.

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

You really think so? I've been waiting for this bus for like 10 years now and it's looking like a mini-van. I don't mind a mini-van, talked my wife into looking at a Pacifica even though we didn't end up buying one, but it seems to land more on that side of the spectrum than a classic air-cooled bus.

Mini-vans haven't been strong sellers in the US for decades so I'm not sure this will sell gang-busters like I thought a Type II.b was going to be.

maybe a lot sacrifice to be safe, and lower the cost

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

I’ve said it before on here: why is everyone so upset that it’s a minivan? What were they expecting?

I hope they got bigger battery and more HP.

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

I think it'll be comfortably in the $75k price bracket.

No, I'll definitely get a lightening for that price.
I hope VW would lower the ID4 price and make room for the Buzz by then. Especially after they were make in the US.

 

[Stinsy]

I hope they got bigger battery and more HP.

Rumor is 110kWh.

 

[Stinsy]

No, I'll definitely get a lightening for that price.
I hope VW would lower the ID4 price and make room for the Buzz by then. Especially after they were make in the US.

Competition is the Mercedes EQV look up the price of those!

 

[CiTY HuNTeR]

Competition is the Mercedes EQV look up the price of those!

Maybe in British, definitely not in the US

 

[Jon B. Ross]

Ha! I've been waiting since 2001 when this was revealed... granted, it wasn't an EV at that time. EV makes it way more appealing, at least to me. View attachment 9228

SOURCE: Volkswagen Microbus

That is surprisingly close to the current design - either they have not progressed much since 2001 or the 2001 design was epically ahead of its time!

 

[Jon B. Ross]

I think it'll be comfortably in the $75k price bracket.

Especially in the US, where you will most likely only get the 110kW-version

 

[Stinsy]

Maybe in British, definitely not in the US

In the US there is no competition so the price could be even higher!