[Lxtruong]

Interesting article.

VW Planning “Massive” Change to U.S. EV Program - The Detroit Bureau

Volkswagen will “realign … in a massive way” its EV plans for the U.S., a senior company official said, responding to President Joe Biden’s push to boost electric-vehicle sales. Get the story at TheDetroitBureau.com.

www.thedetroitbureau.com

 

[Tinman]

VWoA and VW dealers will read the article, shrug, and laugh hysterically.

 

[My Main Man]

Last I heard on the infrastructure bill is that they wanna charge an ev tax so that ev owners are paying their "fair share" for using the roads. Wtf!

 

[Neil]

Last I heard on the infrastructure bill is that they wanna charge an ev tax so that ev owners are paying their "fair share" for using the roads. Wtf!

In the progressive state of TN, as well as in others, EVs already pay this in the form of an EV supplement to the annual registration fee. It's $100/yr in TN.

 

[Lxtruong]

In the progressive state of TN, as well as in others, EVs already pay this in the form of an EV supplement to the annual registration fee. It's $100/yr in TN.

I don't gave an issue with basically paying our share of gas taxes during registration. Eventually every state will probably go to a per-mile fee.

 

[Neil]

I don't gave an issue with basically paying our share of gas taxes during registration. Eventually every state will probably go to a per-mile fee.

Nor do I. I was simply informing MyMainMan that the EV tax wasn't a new idea.

 

[My Main Man]

Fed ev tax on top of state registration.

 

[TPG]

Fed ev tax on top of state registration.

Like state gas tax on top of Fed gas tax?

 

[Froggy]

In the progressive state of TN, as well as in others, EVs already pay this in the form of an EV supplement to the annual registration fee. It's $100/yr in TN.

It's $150 in Mississippi,$75 for hybrids.

 

[EddieLV]

another excuse to tax the people.

 

[Tinman]

another excuse to tax the people.

Who else is supposed to pay for the streets and roads 'the people' use?

 

[EddieLV]

Who else is supposed to pay for the streets and roads 'the people' use?

is It our little cars that cause damage or the weight of large semis and RV’s that cause damage. My neighborhood streets haven’t needed to be fixed in over 30 years. So to charge everyone by mile is just another tax grab. just wish there was more thought into some of the decisions made. I guess I’m just more concerned how my tax money is spent than others are.

 

[Lxtruong]

is It our little cars that cause damage or the weight of large semis and RV’s that cause damage. My neighborhood streets haven’t needed to be fixed in over 30 years. So to charge everyone by mile is just another tax grab. just wish there was more thought into some of the decisions made. I guess I’m just more concerned how my tax money is spent than others are.

There are a lot more cars than semis and RVs and I can attest that on my side street, which never sees RVs or semis, also is damaged (Midwestern winters). Also take into account that EVs are actually substantially heavier than normal cars.

 

[EddieLV]

There are a lot more cars than semis and RVs and I can attest that on my side street, which never sees RVs or semis, also is damaged (Midwestern winters). Also take into account that EVs are actually substantially heavier than normal cars.

So it’s more weather in your area that causes damage, not just purely your vehicle. All I’m saying is that grouping all vehicles into the same per mile fee is a lazy political money grab since not all vehicles are the same. Just an opinion

 

[Froggy]

I was actually a Civil engineer for the state DOT for 34 years. The last state increase was 1987 and the last federal increase was 1994. Local roads are just that a local matter. Basically the state revenue intake for the DOT is the same as the late 1990s, more efficient vehicles overrode the increase in miles travelled and the increased number of vehicles. A ton of installed asphalt paving had increased in cost from circa 35 dollars a ton to between 80 and 100 by the time I retired in 2016. Similar increases occurred in the price of cement used in paving, drain pipes, and bridges. More funding is needed as the longer between resurfacing a road, the more extensive the amount of repairs needed are. Now I would suggest constitutional amendments requiring road taxes be used solely for the purpose of road and bridge repair and construction and forbidding shifting of those funds to other agencies under penalty of law. Such shifts were frequent and extensive after the crashes in 2001 and 2008. Math hurts but it doesn't change.

 

[EddieLV]

I was actually a Civil engineer for the state DOT for 34 years. The last state increase was 1987 and the last federal increase was 1994. Local roads are just that a local matter. Basically the state revenue intake for the DOT is the same as the late 1990s, more efficient vehicles overrode the increase in miles travelled and the increased number of vehicles. A ton of installed asphalt paving had increased in cost from circa 35 dollars a ton to between 80 and 100 by the time I retired in 2016. Similar increases occurred in the price of cement used in paving, drain pipes, and bridges. More funding is needed as the longer between resurfacing a road, the more extensive the amount of repairs needed are. Now I would suggest constitutional amendments requiring road taxes be used solely for the purpose of road and bridge repair and construction and forbidding shifting of those funds to other agencies under penalty of law. Such shifts were frequent and extensive after the crashes in 2001 and 2008. Math hurts but it doesn't change.

Good point. Money taxed for certain items usually ends up going to something else. Then we need more taxes to fixed what the money was suppose to be used for in the first place. Never ending cycle.

 

[Lxtruong]

Basically the state revenue intake for the DOT is the same as the late 1990s, more efficient vehicles overrode the increase in miles travelled and the increased number of vehicles.

Raiding transportation funds is an issue but this is the real reason why it's inevitable that every state ends up going to a per-mile fee.

 

[My Main Man]

The power to tax is the power to destroy!

 

[ChristophW]

Raiding transportation funds is an issue but this is the real reason why it's inevitable that every state ends up going to a per-mile fee.

I think you’re right on this. Per mile tax seems to be as equitable as we can make it, perhaps with different vehicle classes - cars, light trucks (and equivalent), and heavy trucks. The fuel tax was essentially a per mile proxy paired with an efficiency adjustment.
I’m thinking it would be cool to keep the fuel tax and redirect it (with protections to keep it channeled) to pay for the massive shifts we are envisaging, charge stations, manufacturer incentives, cash for clunkers, etc.

 

[Neil]

So let's add a slice of reality to the per mile tax on personal vehicles. How much will it cost to add the government overhead necessary to monitor each vehicles' annual mileage? It maybe relatively easy if it ties into an existing government run inspection program, but in the 3 states where I've lived no inspection is done. So what's to prevent someone from driving 25k miles in a year and reporting 500 miles?