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I see one with ETA, the other 13 available for Pro.
What can VW do now
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True that is another thing that is making me feel tired using Go pedal and trying continously feathering between applying power and regen....especially when you doing this for multiple hours at the time. Disabling some features and not letting drivers choose what is best for them is not good from Tesla.
Double tap AP is not something I enjoy ( i prefer driving and steering) but even in single tap there is no option to prevent ghost braking if camera vision freaks out on you. So my trip from Colorado to Nevada VW service departments are happening now with my foot on accelerator pedal.
since you're too lazy n i dont need to take pics to prove anything to you.. you can go ahead n drive there n see the 2022 models collecting dust on the lot..
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i saw 22/23 models. stop spewing false info fake news
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Wow, you’re kind of a jerk, aren’t you? We try to treat each other well on here, help one another and share useful info.
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Let’s revisit end of quarter. On Twitter Sawyer Merritt is reporting model Y and 3s are selling beyond production already and will probably go back to the wait list. Used will likely go up again for those who don’t want to wait. On VW dealership website it is showing an abundance of ID4s available and on this forum and Mach E I’m hearing a lot of cancellations and topics like would you want a model Y now with the rebate. Either those are canceled ID4 and Mach E and other EV buyers or first time buyers to Tesla waiting for the rebate.
i was being helpful. i said id4 sitting on cali dealer lot for msrp or under.. thats good info for someone who wants to find non rip off dealers to take advantage of the tax credit for 23 model and maybe lease for 22 model or even further msrp.. i've also stated that the sales guy said all the sitting models are cancelled reservation orders.. no need to dig up on why theyre sitting.
germankrautiddude comes in here calling me lying n not providing a photo to prove to him.
isn't that what i did? post info about good deals and availability out there? n u bozos calling me jerk because :
1. i didnt post a photo for sitting models despite me linking activate inventory at specific dealer and also someone else linked a different dealer with sitting inventory
2. calling me out lying is being helpful right?
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There are some who appreciate and will get leverage buying and some who take it as trolling especially the insecure mentioning the T or E word. The inventory in the poorly made website by the dealer’s nephew is evident. You can take pictures and get the silent treatment from the cry babies here.
I gave this more thought and now I think VW can do a couple of things without drastically cutting prices. These might now work overnight, but will work in the long run. First is to offer better warranty. The current warranty is too short to compete with Tesla and Hyundai/Kia. VW did this in 2018-2019 when they were in trouble with dieselgate.
The second thing is to work with EA to expand charging network quickly. They need the same sort of urgency that they had in 2020. They really need to double or triple charging network in some parts of California. If they do this I think many people would rather have a VW over a Tesla, particularly these days with Elon being sort of a loose canon.
The second thing is to work with EA to expand charging network quickly. They need the same sort of urgency that they had in 2020. They really need to double or triple charging network in some parts of California. If they do this I think many people would rather have a VW over a Tesla, particularly these days with Elon being sort of a loose canon.
The public VW website is inaccurate in terms of current inventory. Every car I see in my area (that does not carry the "Estimated Arrival" note) turns out to be unavailable when I call the dealerships. Apparently they are already claimed for someone who pre-ordered. Right now there is no stock available of the 2023 in the DC area, even though the shopping sites like VW.com, cars.com etc... would lead you to believe the contrary. I know this is a transition phase from pre-order style to more traditional dealership deliveries, but it makes it hard to both shop for a car and also gauge the market demand/offer situation when comparing it with Tesla for instance.
Maybe someone with VW insider information such as the VW dealership site can shed more light on the current situation?
each region varies regarding inventory and allocation.. i know for a sure fact that in california, big dealers are sitting on alot of 22/23 id4. take a drive and find out yourself. i've personally visit 3 different vw (1 location where i purchased my id4 and 2 in my city) and they all had good amount of id4. they might not have the one u want due to "specific options", but if u wanted an id4.. its readily available.. since the 13th, alot of orders have been cancelled due to elon and tesla price decreases.
Yes, precisely. In my area there was far more inventory in December than there is now listed on the dealer inventory, but if you called around, maybe 1 in 15 of those was actually available. All reservations. Those are getting cancelled semi routinely, can't say it's more since Tesla stopped screwing their customers as hard on pricing or not... don't think anyone without insider info could possibly know, despite asinine assertions from fanboys here. But it's certainly reasonable to figure there has been some effect. Not reasonable to say dealerships are piling up with them because of Tesla, when in most areas at least it seems they're still not easy to come by, and at least in a 100 mile radius of me, there are far fewer now than before Tesla nonsense.
But they are more available in general depending on trim level you want. I was able to get one in a few days by calling every dealer and getting on their cancellation lists, for a very slightly different car than I had reserved.
Yes there's some 22s available. That hasn't changed in a while because the 23 had some significant advantages in range and charging, better console, etc, as well as the tax credit. Tesla has nothing to do with that. Almost nobody buying like me is going to take that hit when the 23s have so many advantages. Lease options and some additional discounting should help with that a bit.
I'd bet that if someone called those couple dealers referenced, they'd get a very different story than the fanboys here are touting. I don't doubt there are a few more available in some places, but higher doubt you can go pick from 20+ available on lot cars right now at any dealer. They're confusing it with how Tesla was 2 weeks ago...
Mostly agree. They should not try to engage in the race to the bottom with Tesla. You can't win a price war with a company cheapening out their cars to the extreme, when you're building a much more solid, quality product. VW needs to do a few things to solidify their market position, which is somewhat unique in the auto world and can work to their advantage if they execute a little better. VW, she specifically id4, makes a car that when well optioned, is quite close to what you get in a more premium brand like Audi for far less money. That's the bargain they need to hammer home, not try to compete with the bolt etc like Tesla seems to want to do. For some people like me, this is great luxurious value for dollar, while also satisfying our desire to stay a little more under the radar than driving a more luxury brand, while getting much of the benefits of it. I don't want/need to flash a BMW, Mercedes etc to all my friends/associates, I'd rather not be viewed that way by most of them. VW does not invoke those characterizations, and I appreciate that.
You hit 2 big ones. I think charging for many is just a perception issue, but it's still forefront in many people's minds because they can't disassociate with the gas station model they're accustomed to. In reality, most people don't need a charging station almost ever, but they don't understand that yet, so this would help perception. And it would be great to build up that infrastructure for the times it's needed anyway, so wins all around.
Warranty would be great peace of mind, and probably not that expensive as things tend to just work for a good while in EVs.
Software updates for current owners who aren't on 3.1 yet is more important than either of those, in my book. I'm not one of them, I'm fortunate to have a 23 with the new software... But the constant problems others have had and are still having, mostly with the older cars/software, was the hardest thing for me to get over in making the decision to go with id4. If it really showed that VW was taking care of this, aggressively and semi competently, even way late like this, I think that would go a long way to ease people's concerns.
After that would be updates for those of us with the new software to fix some bugs and implement some presumably easy feature changes like the option to one pedal drive, adjust Regen aggressiveness a bit, switch into B mode first as default, maybe some different lock/unlock options related to key proximity etc, link a profile to the key entering driver's seat or button pushed on fob to set seats etc automatically, and a bunch of other little improvements brought up here frequently.
Then an entirely scrapped and redone app that actually works consistently and more quickly. The app isn't salvageable, just start over.
In future models, ditch 2 window switch nonsense, backlight the climate controls, physical buttons rather than haptic on wheel, and a few other little tweaks would go a long way.
Fixing the not so great stuff and positioning yourself as low end luxury level is the way forward. Let Tesla compete in it's quality class with the bolt etc.
To this point my only comments are that VW can – financially absorbing great losses per vehicle – yet simultaneously can't – because they are not producing EVs in volumes that can compete with Tesla production numbers. But I agree with you, it would be a bad move for VW to do so.
And also, VW build quality vs. Tesla is not directly comparable to VW build efficiency to Tesla. Regardless of finished product quality, VW has a long way to go to make a cheap-to-build EV. That's what the SSP is supposed to be striving towards, whereas the MEB was a full-stop rush to market. In other words, VW can design and build a quality product more efficiently than what MEB is capable of. This is where Tesla is eating their cake, regardless of what anybody says pro or con about the overall quality of their vehicles.
Not true, the 23 decreased the range on RWD Pro model and really just shuffled around how they grouped them to test, here are the EPA ranges:
22 RWD Pro 280, 23 = 275
22 RWD Pro S 268, 23 = 275
22 AWD Pro 251, 23 = 255
22 AWD Pro S 245, 23 = 255
Note the 22 miles less range on the 22 RWD Pro S compared to the Pro has to be due to the 20" wheels compared to 19", since the weight difference of 105 pounds could only lower the range < 1 mile. On the 23 models its harder to get the 19" wheels and the range difference due to this is covered up by re-shuffling the test groups.
23 fanbois will make up stuff to justify their purchase
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VW should come with the glass roof by default. Or offer a 1K option for it. Their performance
should be better even in the RWD configuration. 7.5 is kind of slow. Not offering the heated wheel in all configurations
is kind of a turn off. I think I could live with the ID.4 Pro if it had a heated wheel. That said I am looking at other EV's to get these things.
should be better even in the RWD configuration. 7.5 is kind of slow. Not offering the heated wheel in all configurations
is kind of a turn off. I think I could live with the ID.4 Pro if it had a heated wheel. That said I am looking at other EV's to get these things.
There is additional friction from the front motor even if it not activated as the motor is always turning with no disconnect from the front wheels. Also, when the vehicle is accelerating the front rotor also needs to have its rotational speed accelerated. This consumes more energy. Finally, the AWD model is raised ~1/2 inch which doesn't help the aerodynamics resulting in a bit of reduced range.
pro do come with heated wheel! or at least my 22 pro does
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