[jgoodnough]

Electrify America, Tesla, Chargepoint, EVGo are only a few of the charging networks out there. Many companies are trying to get an edge in the US EV charging space but only a small number really have a presence nationally. Who do you think is likely to have a functionally competent lead in the OVERALL EV charging space in three years?

• Tesla obviously has the biggest established network of chargers but they still haven't opened them to any EV, and it's anyone's guess when that will actually happen. Plus there's no history of how well they will work with non-Tesla vehicles, or how much they'll cost for non-Teslas or what the "vibe" will be once Tesla drivers start getting annoyed with all of us non club members.

• Electrify America has shown us how to drop the ball more times that I can count so who knows with them. Plus they can't even keep their existing stations operating so how will they grow more? When they work they're fine, but they have a history of broken chargers and unreliable 3rd party service.

• EVGo has some very nice new installations with chargers that work quite well, but their history isn't great with dead unserviced chargers languishing for weeks.

Chargepoint has a solid L2 network and has been adding DCFC in a lot of locations. The one that I used was well designed and worked perfectly. I was impressed, plus I've never seen a Chargepoint L2 charger sit broken for long. They get fixed (and I know they're not as complex as DCFC but it shows they're paying attention).

I'm sure we'll all be seeing more chargers appearing soon (like this summer). I just hope there are some on the roads I drive! What company do you lean towards?

 

[Atlant]

Tesla.

 

[VW TECHNICIAN]

From hardware quality.... designed in the house and proven reliability... Tesla network is vastly superior to anyone else, who use of the shelf hardware from another suppliers.
And if you own Tesla vehicle.... road trip and integration with Tesla network is outstanding... no need for additional apps or figuring out where to make next stop.

 

[DTDriver]

Tesla, if they roll out CCS Superchargers.

 

[VW Dave]

Tesla, unless Elon tanks the company due to inattention or his uncontrolled public utterances.

 

[Ev1st]

Tesla might open up to others if there demand decreases and need more revenue

 

[Eric Nay]

We've already seen lots of consolidation and mergers. It seems clear Big Oil wants to keep their distribution networks (gas stations) happy, even if they wind up swapping out gas pumps for chargers. Keep the slushies and jerky moving!

We haven't yet seen wholesale conversions of Shell or BP stations, but I think that will probably be the next improvement. With a station attendant, they can keep the chargers functional, which will make a huge difference in consumer response. I'd say we're only a year or two away from Chevron or some other Big Oil company announcing "Two chargers at every Chevron in the US! - You can drive with confidence with us!"

 

[VW Dave]

Tesla might open up to others if there demand decreases and need more revenue

This article suggests Tesla is moving forward (soon?) with opening their Superchargers to CCS vehicles. I installed the Tesla app a few days ago, It provides for locating a compatible Tesla charger, but currently it shows none available near me. Anyway I'm all set up with their app for when the day arrives.

Tesla leaks ‘Magic Dock’ CCS adapter ahead of opening its Supercharger network

Tesla has leaked the “Magic Dock” CCS adapter in its mobile app ahead of the imminent opening of its Supercharger network in North America.

electrek.co

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616658481599086593

 

[Ev1st]

This article suggests Tesla is moving forward (soon?) with opening their Superchargers to CCS vehicles. I installed the Tesla app a few days ago, It provides for locating a compatible Tesla charger, but currently it shows none available near me. Anyway I'm all set up with their app for when the day arrives.

Tesla leaks ‘Magic Dock’ CCS adapter ahead of opening its Supercharger network

Tesla has leaked the “Magic Dock” CCS adapter in its mobile app ahead of the imminent opening of its Supercharger network in North America.

electrek.co

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616658481599086593

Need to make up for lost money 😂

 

[jatrax]

If you look at history the early frontrunners often get absorbed or run over. Tesla, EA and EvGO are the most prominent right now but that might change quickly. I don't see Tesla going away and if it gets open to other EV's AND shows it is a profit center I think they will stick.

Shell just purchased Volta and already has their own charger infrastructure in some areas. They public state that they are an "Energy" company not an "Oil" company and I certainly look to them and other oil companies to leverage their thousands of stations to service Ev's as the balance between EV's and ICE's shifts.

I don't see any one company dominating though. In 5 years it might be Tesla, Shell, Chevron and someone else that absorbed EA and EvGo.

 

[Ev1st]

We've already seen lots of consolidation and mergers. It seems clear Big Oil wants to keep their distribution networks (gas stations) happy, even if they wind up swapping out gas pumps for chargers. Keep the slushies and jerky moving!

We haven't yet seen wholesale conversions of Shell or BP stations, but I think that will probably be the next improvement. With a station attendant, they can keep the chargers functional, which will make a huge difference in consumer response. I'd say we're only a year or two away from Chevron or some other Big Oil company announcing "Two chargers at every Chevron in the US! - You can drive with confidence with us!"

Sheetz near to me has EVgo station with 50kw

 

[TidingSStables]

Sheetz near to me has EVgo station with 50kw

That’s sheetz slow.

 

[hks]

Sheetz near to me has EVgo station with 50kw

I have been to many Electrify America stations at Sheetz and also saw a Tesla supercharger with over 10-12 bays at a Sheetz in NC

 

[VW Dave]

I will say that EA replacing their original flaky stations with a new version is a hopeful sign for them.

 

[Spin]

Hopefully Tesla opens the Superchargers to us.

 

[VW Dave]

Hopefully Tesla opens the Superchargers to us.

Likewise. I just hope certain Tesla owners don't treat us like an unwanted invasive species "their" habitat.

 

[Spin]

Likewise. I just hope certain Tesla owners don't treat us like an unwanted invasive species "their" habitat.

If Tesla opens them to us it will be "our" habitat too.

 

[VW Dave]

If Tesla opens them to us it will be "our" habitat too.

I was thinking about an earlier thread where the OP objected to Tesla owners with CCS adapters taking up spots at EA chargers.

 

[Spin]

I was thinking about an earlier thread where the OP objected to Tesla owners with CCS adapters taking up spots at EA chargers.

I don't think most non-Tesla EV owners feel that way. The responses on that thread prove that.

 

[eb2143]

I put a little money behind ChargePoint because their hardware is solid and demand will be high. Network operators, on the other hand... (ChargePoint is essentially not a network operator) are beyond my knowledge base to know who will do well, finances are too complicated for me to understand profit potential.