[Eric Nay]

I plan to hold the line. I will not pay over the fixed price VW lists on their web site. I hope others will as well. I am prepared to go for months before I get the car, if I have to.

vw.com lists the Pro S RWD as $44,495. There is a fixed "Delivery Fee" that is the same everywhere in the US of $1,195, plus some states have a few misc small fees (CA has a fund to pay $1500 at the dealership, so look for that).

Just be firm, and we all will get what we want for the price we're willing to pay.

 

[Nai3t]

...How have you been able to save money on your purchase?

I would like to keep this open to any make of vehicle, since for many of us a VW ID isn't our only vehicle.

I've been pretty vocal about dealer shopping and pre-negotiating before ordering an ID.4 to get the best deal, but this market is nutsy-cuckoo. It shouldn't matter -- an order is an order and a dealer should be happy to compete for your business since these cars aren't being allocated.

I bought the ID.4 as a walk-in customer, and was happy to find a dealer (at launch in March) who would sell at MSRP. All of my inquiries up to that point were being met with $3,000 to $5,000 markups. So it was just luck and persistence that I was given the privilege of not negotiating a lower price. But with the various rebates and tax credits stripping $11k off an already attractive 1st Edition MSRP, I wasn't complaining, and Shift gave us a really generous price on my wife's 5 year-old Volvo, making this purchase even easier.

Just last month I bought a new BMW i3 that I didn't need. Despite the order book being closed on this car in July -- generating a spike in interest -- and the premium audio option being unavailable due to supply constraints, and very few "loaded" i3s in dealer inventories (fewer than 10 nationwide I could find), BMW was inexplicably continuing to offer an $11k discount to veterans on this model, and this Texas dealership was willing to knock another $1,500 off this car that had been on their floor for at least 4 months, a car they for whatever reason weren't advertising on the big auto sites. Plus 0.9% promotional financing? All in this crazy market where SoCal dealers were straight-up demanding $5,000 markups on the equivalent car. I feel like I lucked out getting this one because I wasn't even trying all that hard. Carvana and Vroom both offered me way more money than my 4 year old i3 should have been worth, so in the immortal words of Hannibal Smith, "I love it when a plan comes together."

 

[DaveTC]

I think the answer is that one likely does not need to get a new vehicle until prices are within one's comfort zone. I think paying to get a vehicle maintained unless a lease is expiring. It is usually a choice.

I have two old vehicles. One is the backup to the other. One is a 2003 GMC Sierra 5.3 liter. I went to a new 2013 Passat SE TDI. That was bought back due to Dieselgate. I found that funny since I expect that my truck pollutes more. I have been waiting for the ID.4 (It was the VW Crozz at the time). I now have my dad's 95 Chevy diesel 6.5 as a backup. I just put $1300 into that for a new injection pump and cooling upgrades. It has come in handy, because my 2003 developed at fuel leak that I have to fix this weekend -- I am guessing it is just an o-ring but I have to drop the fuel tank. I do my own work, but I think that paying a mechanic to do that is likely cheaper than buying a new car in reality.

I have pre-determined that I will walk away from any mark-up on the ID.4 over MSRP that I have reserved. I have vehicles to last me a few years if needed. If that happens, I will put put a tuning chip in my 6.5 and roll coal on you ID.4 owners out of jealousy.😀

 

[Huey52]

Purchasing Best Practices - How To Pay No More Than MSRP

Why am I writing this post: Back in 2015, VW got caught cheating on Diesel emissions on what became Dieselgate. At the time, there were several options on how to deal with the cars sold. One of them was for VW to buy back their cars. I had at the time, a 2010 Jetta Sportwagen TDI and a 2013...

www.vwidtalk.com

 

[donpablopereira]

I plan to hold the line. I will not pay over the fixed price VW lists on their web site. I hope others will as well. I am prepared to go for months before I get the car, if I have to.

vw.com lists the Pro S RWD as $44,495. There is a fixed "Delivery Fee" that is the same everywhere in the US of $1,195, plus some states have a few misc small fees (CA has a fund to pay $1500 at the dealership, so look for that).

Just be firm, and we all will get what we want for the price we're willing to pay.

In your dreams. Lol
Order the Car, pay MSRP and decline dealer add-ons before it arrives in port. Once there the fun begins. 1-2k in dealer add-ons like paint protection, etc. Full-blown Cancellations? Good luck. I found only 2 dealers in So Cal (largest ID4 seller in the country) who would sell at MSRP. Leasing rates are even worse with MF some of the highest in the industry. There goes your 7500k rebate rolled in sue to crazy high car payments. There are no deals to be had and won't be until Tennessee is up and running.

 

[SunWizard]

Leasing rates are even worse with MF some of the highest in the industry

This is not even close to true, VW is among the BEST, here are the current MF for some competitors:
VW ID.4= 0.00143
Tesla MY= 0.001854
Honda CR-V= 0.0015
Toyota 4 runner= 0.00235

 

[donpablopereira]

You are obviously s dealer or know very little about leasing. 0.00143 was the i initial rate last year. 0.00235 much more common these days. And if you think I'm wrong go to leasehacker.com. share your best deal and leasing experts will grade it. Don't forget the 5k down-payment which one should never do in a lease but I'm sure you know that. I leased my last dozen or so cars including EVs. First time I actually paid cash due to the ridiculous numbers.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

First, we took advantage of the inflated used car market to trade in our 2019 Beetle and made $7500 over what the Beetle cost us when new.

Next, for the ID.4, we chose a dealer selling at MSRP. We also chose to lease it as the future value of it was too unpredictable for us to feel comfortable with a trade in value for it in 3-5 years. If the ID.4 value tanks because other EVs are more affordable and better (or problems like the Chevy Bolt) then we walk away from the ID.4 and our lease without a loss. If the value stays high due to market demand, we can buy the ID.4 for the already determined residual value, and then perhaps profit by trading or selling outright. Leases aren't for everyone though, so one should determine what best fits their lifestyle, budget, and needs.

 

[Eric Nay]

In your dreams. Lol
Order the Car, pay MSRP and decline dealer add-ons before it arrives in port. Once there the fun begins. 1-2k in dealer add-ons like paint protection, etc. Full-blown Cancellations? Good luck. I found only 2 dealers in So Cal (largest ID4 seller in the country) who would sell at MSRP. Leasing rates are even worse with MF some of the highest in the industry. There goes your 7500k rebate rolled in sue to crazy high car payments. There are no deals to be had and won't be until Tennessee is up and running.

Not sure where you are shopping. Riverside VW is honoring the MSRP. I believe so was Norm Reeves in Irvine.

 

[SunWizard]

ou are obviously s dealer or know very little about leasing. 0.00143 was the i initial rate last year. 0.00235 much more common these days.

This is also not true, I read every post on this forum, and most have been getting 0.00143 and paying MSRP without add-ons. The MF could go up for 2022 but it has not yet.

 

[donpablopereira]

Not sure where you are shopping. Riverside VW is honoring the MSRP. I believe so was Norm Reeves in Irvine.

Riverside and Norm Reeves say one thing but once they get that cancellation on the lot do another.
I bought at Netfin VW in Thousand Oaks.

 

[Eric Nay]

Well, I think you and I are talking about two different things. I'm mainly worried about them honoring MSRP for reservations. You seem to be more worried about what they do with a "free" car, no reservation tied to it. In that case, frankly, I am fine with them marking it up simply because they can. You can take the deal or walk away.

I just want them to honor the MSRP for reservation holders.

 

[donpablopereira]

You are correct. All dealers are supposed to sell at online order price on a pre-ordered car. Dealers who mark up over MSRP on a cancellation or raise MF rates are simply thieves. One trick they will often use is to get the over MSRP price down they want you to finance even for 90 days. They make more on that deal. As to honoring MSRP on pre-ordered cars make sure to alert your dealer in writing before car hits port that you are declining all dealer add-ons like paint protection, etc.

 

[SunWizard]

Here is another good site where they report on the leasing MF every month and locations around the US, and are still reporting 0.00143 as it has been all year the current VW top tier rate:

2021 Volkswagen ID.4 Lease Deals and Prices - Page 5

.00143 MF and 49% RV $7500 lease cash Either drive

forums.edmunds.com

 

[donpablopereira]

Yes and why not read all post. Many dealers cgarhingcwell over that as there is no rule on lease rates. Other's simply admitvits a bad deal. But I wouldn't expect most Edmunds readers to understand a lease structure. That's why I suggested Leasehacker.com

 

[Ostrovit]

everything is clear and simple as it seems to me. It is not possible to buy a new car - do not buy a new one, buy second hand

 

[Huey52]

On this side of the pond even pre-owned are demanding top dollar as so relatively few vehicles available. We continue to live in very interesting times. However in normal times pre-owned is a good fiscal way to go, especially on a depreciating asset. Then again, in those more normal times dealers may charge whatever the pre-owned market will bear, as there is no MSRP on same. So it still takes good research and negotiating skills.

Private sales and trade-ins continue to bring exceptional money, again given relative scarcity, but that won't last forever.

everything is clear and simple as it seems to me. It is not possible to buy a new car - do not buy a new one, buy second hand

 

[Pascal]

This side of the water is also crazy about the second-hand market.
Yesterday I saw a rare 1 year old used ID4 with 7000miles without any options and was for sale at 5000 euros higher than I paid new for my ID4 6 months ago

 

[PANZERidIV]

Buy low, sell high. That’s all I got. 🤔