[GSOLO99]

Hello All,

I am thinking about buying the ID 4 Pro S but wanted to do some research first and know what I was getting into. I do understand that it's a new car and there will be some issues that need to be addressed. Reading through the posts I see there are many software and some mechanica issues, and rightly so, frustration. My question to you is if you knew what you know now about the ID 4 would you still buy it? I really like the look of the car but I dont want to deal with a bunch of issues epecially since there are other manufactuers that offer great alternatives that are more mature. Just looking for some feedback. I would primarily use the car for commuting ~70 miles.

Thank You

 

[TPG]

If I knew what I know now when I bought it, I would have read:

If you could go back in time, would you still get an ID.4 ....

A little search goes a long way

 

[Lxtruong]

If I knew what I know now when I bought it, I would have read If you could go back in time, would you still get an....
A little search goes a long way

Also IMO the only mature competitor for the ID.4 in the United States is the Model Y. Other EVs are smaller (i.e. Niro EV, etc) and are not really in the same class.

 

[Froggy]

Yep I was charging next to a Bolt today and it looked like a toy. A couple of days before I was charging next to a Y of the same color as mine . The size was okay but other things were not exactly to my taste. It is the closest equivalent vehicle.

 

[Nai3t]

Absolutely yes, would buy again. 3 months, 3,500 miles.

Also IMO the only mature competitor for the ID.4 in the United States is the Model Y.

I know! Weird, huh?

 

[gorj]

I have had my ID3 for 2.5 months and have about 3200 miles on it. I still feel it is the best buy on the market. Yes, it has a few wrinkles to be worked out but overall it is a fantastic vehicle. Everyone that has ridden in it is really impressed.

 

[Huey52]

That's one of the reasons I went with the ID.4, and would again. Better cargo volume and a bit shorter overall than the Model Y (and I had a reservation for a Model 3 prior to its release, so did much historical research).

[btw: There are now 6 pages of same-topic discussion in the original thread.]

Absolutely yes, would buy again. 3 months, 3,500 miles.



I know! Weird, huh?

View attachment 4277

 

[Spin]

Yes, I would buy it again. We have had some software issues that have corrected themselves but overall we are happy with the car.

 

[Geo]

I've had mine since March. No regrets. Absolutely would buy again. It has exceeded my expectations, particularly in terms of range and charging. The known software issues don't affect me day to day, so not a problem.

 

[1440]

Yep I was charging next to a Bolt today and it looked like a toy. A couple of days before I was charging next to a Y of the same color as mine . The size was okay but other things were not exactly to my taste. It is the closest equivalent vehicle.

My ‘toy’ is at least a full second faster than your ID4, and comes with a 360 camera system, a rearview camera mirror, a regeneration paddle, and fully functional infotainment software 😎

 

[Vegassist]

Utility, utility, utility.
100% would buy again.

 

[Lxtruong]

My ‘toy’ is at least a full second faster than your ID4, and comes with a 360 camera system, a rearview camera mirror, a regeneration paddle, and fully functional infotainment software 😎

Yes yes but it has a smaller boot unless you have that special Bolt that has 30 cubic ft of trunk space with seats up.

 

[Helenabus]

Yes I would. 8,000 miles. Loving it!

 

[ExCivilian]

If you wait a year or two until after when I suspect they’ll have dropped the capacitive buttons, fixed the charging issues, while still being eligible for tax credits, you’re also likely to get a lighter vehicle with better battery tech and longer or same range.

Regardless of any other consideration, if your new to the VW family you must get a good sense of how your local dealership will handle issues before jumping in. If you’ve been a longtime member of the VW family then you likely already know what to watch out for so do your due diligence before committing.

 

[Lxtruong]

If you wait a year or two until after when I suspect they’ll have dropped the capacitive buttons, fixed the charging issues, while still being eligible for tax credits, you’re also likely to get a lighter vehicle with better battery tech and longer or same range.

This is true and it's why I'm recommending that my friends/family with longer drive requirements (i.e. they drive for work, etc) wait for 400+mi range cars, which I suspect will be rolling out in the next 5 years or so.

 

[ExCivilian]

Here’s the math for anyone thinking along those lines:

If you amount for a 20% reserve capacity, a 20% buffer on the top end, and an anticipated 20% lifetime reduction in capacity, you’re looking at an effective 135 mile range under normal driving conditions. Of you’re in an extreme weather region you might see as few as a 70 mile range vehicle.

When I first bought the ID4 I thought we were about 5 miles out from significant battery improvements but now I think it’s probably half that if not less.

If for no other reason, governments will fund rapidly to develop solutions because of the pollution concerns with these massive vehicles.

 

[Lxtruong]

If you amount for a 20% reserve capacity, a 20% buffer on the top end, and an anticipated 20% lifetime reduction in capacity, you’re looking at an effective 135 mile range under normal driving conditions. Of you’re in an extreme weather region you might see as few as a 70 mile range vehicle.

Isn't the 20% buffer on the top end to hedge against the 20% lifetime reduction in capacity?

 

[ExCivilian]

Isn't the 20% buffer on the top end to hedge against the 20% lifetime reduction in capacity?

Charging an EV to only 80% is intended to limit cell damage, not prevent it entirely or account for it. You’ll still experience degradation over time and (presumably) still want to charge it to only 80% while that’s degradation is occurring.

I don’t think owners will feel all of that 20% degradation anyway because of VW’s internal buffers, but that seems to me to be the worst case scenario and what I suspect people who are range sensitive and thinking of keeping it for 10+ years are going to be most interested in.

 

[Lxtruong]

Charging an EV to only 80% is intended to limit cell damage, not prevent it entirely or account for it. You’ll still experience degradation over time and (presumably) still want to charge it to only 80% while that’s degradation is occurring.

I don’t think owners will feel all of that 20% degradation anyway because of VW’s internal buffers, but that seems to me to be the worst case scenario and what I suspect people who are range sensitive and thinking of keeping it for 10+ years are going to be most interested in.

Gotcha. I'm assuming for sure that in 10 years I'll have lost 10% of range easily. But then again, 230 miles still isn't that bad. I think that in 10-15 years when this car has much less range it'll be the perfect car for my then-teenage kids, who will get what they get and they will like it.

 

[WhiskeyJava]

Here’s the math for anyone thinking along those lines:

If you amount for a 20% reserve capacity, a 20% buffer on the top end, and an anticipated 20% lifetime reduction in capacity, you’re looking at an effective 135 mile range under normal driving conditions. Of you’re in an extreme weather region you might see as few as a 70 mile range vehicle.

When I first bought the ID4 I thought we were about 5 miles out from significant battery improvements but now I think it’s probably half that if not less.

If for no other reason, governments will fund rapidly to develop solutions because of the pollution concerns with these massive vehicles.

Wouldn’t the math workout to 150 miles (250*.6)? not sure why throw the buffer in it’s already accounted for and what are you considering a lifetime reductio? A lot of Teslas are seeing 5-10% per 100,000 so not likely to see 20% until well over 200,000 miles. A lot of people on the road aren’t driving 400,000 mile vehicles With original components (i.e. engines, batteries etc). Plus I think there will develop a nice aftermarket in energy storage for those used batteries which will offset cost of replacement. No I think people will still be getting 200 miles range by the time they hit 200k mile.