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ErickF

Discussion Starter · Sep 25, 2020

Taken with a grain of salt...but good news for me nonetheless.

Volkswagen has said it plans to prioritize the so-called ZEV states, including California, Colorado, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, with the first cars to make it over from Europe.

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MLopez

· #2 · Sep 25, 2020

Yes! 💪

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Drew18

· #3 · Sep 26, 2020

Washington on the list!

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emtonsti

· #4 · Sep 26, 2020

That's what the VW customer service rep told me too when I called yesterday (ZEV, 2,500 1st).

I found this article when was googling the 1st MAX (the one I really want, but EU only):

"Marketing will take place at the end of this year 2020 with two special launch series: Volkswagen ID.4 1st and 1st Max, with 27,000 units planned. Other finishes and engines will be unveiled during 2021, says Volkswagen."

So, if we are only getting 2,500 1st, and 3,200 orders total yesterday (the article above), then we probably have a good shot at relatively early deliveries.

The Tesla model 3 preorder was something over 300,000 first week, and over 500,000 total by comparison. I actually like this better, seems more realistic (and honest) as to what they can deliver short term.

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Mark Magiera

· #5 · Oct 3, 2020 (Edited)

I was going through the actually settlement paperwork this morning to follow up on this. The only ZEV state that gets priority is California.
Per the settlement:
~VW must sell BEV SUV in California or replacement of current BEV (e-Golf) from 2019-2025: 35,000 (not stringent to 5k per year, must total to 35K by EoY 2025)
~3,500 were recorded by CA in 2019.
~ do not have # for 2020 from CA, but I think the 2019 models sold IN 2020 still count & there were a crap load of em in 1stQ (mostly saw the e-Golf SE models marked to MOVE). I also think that since Porsche (not Audi) is listed, that the Taycan might be counted in the #. Alas VWoA needs the ID4 to move in CA for sure.
~for 2021, VW needs to have (in CA) 14K vehicles sold to get them back on track with their legal obligations. So the pricing in 2021 is going to be WYSIWYG. And depending on additional product rollout in the coming 4 years, 2025 will also be a very interesting year to purchase a EV in California (IMHO) IF they are shy of that 35K sold "obligation."

& Scott K. has stressed this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to debut a new product line to the EV Specialist last month. Which it is. How the ID is accepted/considered will have ramifications with the urgency by VW Corp. on how Chattanooga will be fitted out/retrofitted for 2022.

I wish them all the luck in their endeavours.

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ErickF

Discussion Starter · #6 · Oct 4, 2020

So it may not be the consent decree at all. Washington State signed on in May.

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emtonsti

· #7 · Oct 4, 2020

I think it is ZEV + CA consent decree (both). The idea of the consent decree being involved was directly stated in the VW dealer call by some VW executive (with the VW America president on the line), so it probably is a factor. VW customer service said ZEV and order of reservation, so is it now consent decree (California only?), then ZEV, then non ZEV?

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ErickF

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 4, 2020

emtonsti said:
I think it is ZEV + CA consent decree (both). The idea of the consent decree being involved was directly stated in the VW dealer call by some VW executive (with the VW America president on the line), so it probably is a factor. VW customer service said ZEV and order of reservation, so is it now consent decree (California only?), then ZEV, then non ZEV?

Good point. VW still has obligations to CA for a second SUV by 2020. CA would certainly be first. And I think that port of entry would be Houston. That would give hope to nearby ZEV states to have vehicles arriving around the same time.

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