[fireboy92k]

Now to see the first one of these go OTA!

Thanks for the good data. Only difference I saw is that your C0. Actuator for exterior noise (UDS) Software version: 0010 is higher than this one, but diff. hardware too: 00C0 Actuator for exterior noise 11K035335F 0008

This confirms that our 3.5 you got is the same as EU 3.7 which is where I got that list of software versions I edited into the OP. Edit: its good news that the US is finally getting the fixes that have been out in the EU 3.7 for a while.

 

[Jupiter]

Probably not relevant, but EU 3.7 OTA is listed as 3.5.4 in the OTA information.

There’s a small follow up (takes 20 minutes where as the big ”3.7 OTA” took 3-4 hours depending on your car) that is 3.5.5, after which the display will still show ”3.7”. It was found before Christmas and is now popping up on the regular.

Curiously, I’m like 90 % sure that if one got the 3.7 at a dealer (as a fix for certain issues), that was listed as 3.6.2. Yet VW claims that both OTA and in-shop 3.7 updates are the same.

Why are version numbers so hard?

 

[GreyID4]

Probably not relevant, but EU 3.7 OTA is listed as 3.5.4 in the OTA information.

There’s a small follow up (takes 20 minutes where as the big ”3.7 OTA” took 3-4 hours depending on your car) that is 3.5.5, after which the display will still show ”3.7”. It was found before Christmas and is now popping up on the regular.

Curiously, I’m like 90 % sure that if one got the 3.7 at a dealer (as a fix for certain issues), that was listed as 3.6.2. Yet VW claims that both OTA and in-shop 3.7 updates are the same.

I am confused.
So in Europe, 3.5.5 happens AFTER 3.7 OTA?
And before the 3.5.5 follow up, 3.7 OTA updated cars don't show/display 3.7?

 

[SunWizard]

It would be nice to get a scan of version numbers from someone with EU 3.7 to compare.

 

[Ilomate]

For those of us who are not in the US and our car is American, how do we update the software?

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

I am confused.
So in Europe, 3.5.5 happens AFTER 3.7 OTA?

Yes, because ”3.7” is 3.5.4.

And before the 3.5.5 follow up, 3.7 OTA updated cars don't show/display 3.7?

No, after OTA 3.7 (3.5.4) the cars display 3.7, and will continue to do so after 3.5.5.

 

[edid4]

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, however I'm not sure you realize what you think you heard is not what I meant.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

For those of us who are not in the US and our car is American, how do we update the software?

You move the car to the US. No other options. Chinese cars don’t get updates outside of China, European outside Europe etc.

 

[Jupiter]

No we don't get that app in the US.

Yes we do — it’s the ID.Software app (or whatever it’s called) and it just shows 3.1 even though I’m on 3.2…

 

[GreyID4]

Yes, because ”3.7” is 3.5.4.

No, after OTA 3.7 (3.5.4) the cars display 3.7, and will continue to do so after 3.5.5.

The VW software engineers are idiots! LOL.

 

[Andy at Ross-Tech.com]

FYI, here's some data from my 2024 ID.4 AWD Pro S with 4.10

01-Engine -- SW: 0EA 906 014 DR HW: 0EA 907 425 K 3630
03-ABS Brakes -- SW: 1EA 614 517 BP HW: 1EA 614 517 M 0740
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- SW: 5WA 959 436 N HW: 5WA 959 436 N 0757
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- SW: 1N3 959 760 H HW: 1N3 959 760 H 0571
08-Auto HVAC -- SW: 1EE 907 007 B HW: 1EE 907 007 B 0146
09-Cent. Elect. -- SW: 1EE 937 089 D HW: 1EE 937 089 0530
10-Park/Steer Assist -- SW: 1EE 919 300 C HW: 1EE 919 300 0514
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- SW: 1EA 907 567 C HW: 1EA 907 819 0099
15-Airbags -- SW: 3WA 959 655 P HW: 3WA 959 655 P 0141
16-Steering wheel -- SW: 1EE 953 507 BP HW: 1EE 953 507 BP 0060
17-Instruments -- SW: 10A 920 320 D HW: 10A 920 320 D 0650
19-CAN Gateway -- SW: 1EE 937 012 D HW: 1EE 937 012 0411
23-Brake Booster -- SW: 1EA 909 059 BE HW: 1EA 909 059 Q 0840
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- SW: 3WA 905 861 HW: 3WA 905 861 0063
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- SW: 1N3 959 760 H HW: 1N3 959 760 H 0571
3C-Lane Change -- SW: 2Q0 907 686 H HW: 2Q0 907 686 H 0320
42-Door Elect, Driver -- SW: 1EA 959 593 C HW: 1EA 959 593 C 0561
44-Steering Assist -- SW: 1EE 907 144 K HW: 1EE 907 144 B 5122
51-Electric Drive -- SW: 0ET 907 121 D HW: 0ET 907 121 D 7246
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- SW: 1EA 959 592 C HW: 1EA 959 592 C 0561
5F-Information Electr. -- SW: 10C 035 842 HW: 10C 035 842 3343
69-Trailer -- SW: 5H0 907 383 D HW: 5H0 907 383 0204
6C-Back-up Cam. -- SW: 1EA 980 556 G HW: 5WA 980 556 C 0464
6D-Trunk Elect. -- SW: 4KE 959 107 B HW: 4KE 959 107 B 0342
75-Telematics -- SW: 14A 035 285 HW: 14A 035 285 0288
8C-HV Battery -- SW: 0Z1 915 184 AG HW: 0Z1 915 184 D 1122
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- SW: 1EA 980 653 B HW: 1EA 980 653 A 5510
BB-Door Rear Drv -- SW: 1EA 959 597 C HW: 1EA 959 597 C 0561
BC-Door Rear Pass -- SW: 1EA 959 596 C HW: 1EA 959 596 C 0561
C0-Act. for Ext. Noise -- SW: 11K 035 335 D HW: 1EA 035 335 0012
C6-Batt. Chrg. -- SW: 1EK 915 692 H HW: 1EK 915 692 H 5206
CA-Sunroof -- SW: 4K8 907 594 AD HW: 4K0 907 594 0010
CE-Drive Motor 2 -- SW: 1EA 907 121 BF HW: 1EA 907 230 G 8122
D6-Light Ctrl Left 2 -- SW: 992 941 572 AG HW: 992 941 572 A 9104
D7-Light Ctrl Right 2 -- SW: 992 941 572 AG HW: 992 941 572 A 9104
8116-Snd enhanct 2 -- SW: 11K 035 335 E HW: 1EA 035 335 0010
8123-App server 1 system 1 adaptive -- V04 007 000 SS 0411
8124-App server 1 system 2 Java -- V04 007 000 ST 0411
8125-App server 3 system 1 infotaint. -- V04 007 003 D 3343
8128-Light line display -- SW: 11B 919 451 C HW: 11B 919 451 C 0107
C002: SW Cluster Embedded (SWC2) -- V04 007 000 TA 0411
C003: SW Cluster Housekeeping (SWC3) -- V04 007 000 TB 0411

 

[antonioM]

Data from my 2023 AWD Pro S (purchased in November 2022) after the 57J9/24V651, 919A/24V344, 97H3/25V120 recalls:

0001. Engine (EVO/29bit)​

VAG Part number: 0EA906012EG​

Software version: 2927​

Hardware version: H01​

​

0003. ABS control unit​

VAG Part number: 1EA614517BC​

Software version: 0526​

Hardware version: H16​

​

0004. Power steering​

VAG Part number: 1EA907144AQ​

Software version: 5033​

Hardware version: 246​

​

0005. Authorization system for access and starting the engine​

VAG Part number: 5WA959436J​

Software version: 0725​

Hardware version: 100​

​

0006. Front passenger seat​

VAG Part number: 1EB959760H​

Software version: 0562​

Hardware version: 010​

​

0008. Heater and climate​

VAG Part number: 11K907727A​

Software version: 0460​

Hardware version: H01​

​

0009. Onboard supply control unit​

VAG Part number: 1EA937089AA​

Software version: 0311​

Hardware version: H34​

​

0010. Parking Assistant 2​

VAG Part number: 1EA919300A​

Software version: 0580​

Hardware version: H02​

​

0013. Active cruise control​

Software version: 0234​

Hardware version: H04​

​

0015. SRS​

VAG Part number: 5WA959655R​

Software version: 0717​

Hardware version: 011​

​

0016. Steering column​

VAG Part number: 1EK953507A​

Software version: 0072​

Hardware version: 007​

​

0019. CAN Gateway​

VAG Part number: 1EA937012AD​

Software version: 0329​

Hardware version: 072​

​

0023. Increased braking force​

VAG Part number: 1EA909059AN​

Software version: 0626​

Hardware version: H29​

​

002B. Steering column lock (UDS)​

VAG Part number: 1EA905861​

Software version: 0040​

Hardware version: H10​

​

0036. Driver seat adjustment​

VAG Part number: 1EB959760H​

Software version: 0562​

Hardware version: 010​

​

003C. Lane change assistant​

VAG Part number: 2Q0907686K​

Software version: 0289​

Hardware version: H26​

​

0042. Driver door electronic equipment​

VAG Part number: 1EA959593E​

Software version: 0551​

Hardware version: 004​

​

0044. Power steering​

VAG Part number: 1EA907144AQ​

Software version: 5033​

Hardware version: 246​

​

0051. Electro-engine (29 bit)​

VAG Part number: 1EA907121AH​

Software version: 6050​

Hardware version: H09​

​

0052. Front passenger door electronics​

VAG Part number: 1EA959592E​

Software version: 0551​

Hardware version: 004​

​

005F. Electronic Information System 1​

VAG Part number: 10A035842N​

Software version: 1751​

Hardware version: H30​

​

0069. Trailer functions​

VAG Part number: 5H0907383C​

Software version: 0058​

Hardware version: H12​

​

006C. Rear view camera system var.1​

VAG Part number: 1EA980556J​

Software version: 0397​

Hardware version: H30​

​

006D. Tailgate/Boot lid​

VAG Part number: 4KE959107A​

Software version: 0335​

Hardware version: H05​

​

0075. Emergency Call and Communication Module​

VAG Part number: 11A035285D​

Software version: 0686​

Hardware version: H19​

​

0076. Parking assistant​

VAG Part number: 1EA919300A​

Software version: 0580​

Hardware version: H02​

​

008C. Battery management system (29 bit)​

VAG Part number: 0Z1915184G​

Software version: 1030​

Hardware version: 010​

​

00A5. Front Assistant A5 (UDS)​

VAG Part number: 1EA980653D​

Software version: 5332​

Hardware version: H05​

​

00BB. Rear door behind driver (UDS)​

VAG Part number: 1EA959597E​

Software version: 0551​

Hardware version: 004​

​

00BC. Rear door behind passenger (UDS)​

VAG Part number: 1EA959596E​

Software version: 0551​

Hardware version: 004​

​

00C0. Actuator for exterior noise (UDS)​

VAG Part number: 11K035335F​

Software version: 0008​

Hardware version: H06​

​

00C6. High-voltage battery charger (UDS)​

VAG Part number: 1EA915684GF​

Software version: 2022​

Hardware version: H61​

​

00CA. Sunroof control module (29 bit)​

VAG Part number: 89A907594BD​

Software version: 0031​

Hardware version: 006​

​

00CE. Electric drive 2 (29 bit)​

VAG Part number: 1EA907121AN​

Software version: 8022​

Hardware version: H07​

​

00D6. Headlight control left 2 (29 bit)​

VAG Part number: 992941572AE​

Software version: 9202​

Hardware version: H08​

​

00D7. Headlight control right 2 (29 bit)​

VAG Part number: 992941572AE​

Software version: 9202​

Hardware version: H08​

​

8105. DC Charger (29 bit)​

VAG Part number: 1EA907190G​

Software version: 1142​

Hardware version: H13​

 

[antonioM]

I think it mostly looks right. A few differences than what's posted in the original post, but different hardware versions too.

The only one that concerns me is 008C (Battery management system). That one seems stuck at an older software version of 1030.

There were previous posts in this thread showing that the 2021 and 2022 ID.4s got updated to BMS version 1041 after some of the 3.2.x updates. Another 2023 ID.4 dump prior to any updates showed BMS at 1030, and a few wondered if the 2023s (with SK On batteries) would eventually be updated too. Well, it seems the answer is no.

What I'd really be interested in is seeing a dump from a 2023 with a later build date, one that came with software 3.5 from the factory. I'd like to see if the BMS software is 1030, or something else.

 

[Jupiter]

The 2023 cars seem like they’re being orphaned, or maybe VW will get to them eventually?

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

The 2023 cars seem like they’re being orphaned, or maybe VW will get to them eventually?

For what it’s worth, 3.8 is rolling out in waves in Europe. Reports of install are popping up (no bricks that I’ve seen), so it’s getting wider (the waves are to include more and more cars as it progresses).

So it will most likely arrive in the US after a delay. Early 2026, maybe?

 

[Jupiter]

For what it’s worth, 3.8 is rolling out in waves in Europe. Reports of install are popping up (no bricks that I’ve seen), so it’s getting wider (the waves are to include more and more cars as it progresses).

So it will most likely arrive in the US after a delay. Early 2026, maybe?

Any idea what’s new?

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Any idea what’s new?

Just fixes and optimization. I wouldn’t expect any new features for old 3.x.

Sure, Skoda made an in-car app to check your battery temperature on their own. It doesn’t do anything but display it, so whatever the point..

From May 16th:

Spoiler

📢 New software update


Dear community, from next week, we plan to start the rollout of the ID. Software 3.8.1 update.

Independently of this, we are currently preparing a fix for a problem that can reduce AC charging power. Further information on this topic will follow soon. 👀

The following content is included in the ID. Software 3.8.1 update:

- Updated the integrated internet connection: To take into account the gradual shutdown of 2G/3G mobile networks from the end of 2025, the internet connection will be updated. This update is necessary in order to continue using the We Connect mobile online services. Without this update, there may be quality restrictions and possible functional failures. The availability of 2G/3G mobile networks is defined by the network operators of each country and may vary.

- Important security updates: We have implemented important security updates to ensure the IT security of your vehicle. We strongly recommend that you perform this update.

- Web radio and infotainment system: Optimizations have been made to improve the stability of the web radio and the infotainment system.

- Air conditioning: Fixed a bug that could have caused the coolant filling level to be displayed incorrectly.

As usual, the update will be rolled out in the form of a so-called canary release. This means that we will start the first wave with a small number of vehicles at first. Subsequent waves are then launched with an ever-increasing number of vehicles. This gives us the opportunity to react quickly in the event of unforeseen problems in the process.

The updates are downloaded in the background when you are connected, provided you have given consent in your profile. As soon as the download is complete, a message will appear in the infotainment display and you can start the update at any time from the Goodbye screen.

You can find more information about our software updates here:—

 

[Lincoln]

Many people have been asking how to see what software versions they really have, since the infotainment only tells you its 3.1, even after a 3.2.1 or 11 or 12 update. With car scanner the trick to read all the ECUs: Hit ECU Identifiers, hit the button for All modules (not just Found modules), then the checkbox up top that adds a check mark to all ECU. This will scan 198 ECU including a few that don't exist but not a problem. Then hit Export to email yourself the report. The car must be powered up but does not need to be in Drive. With OBDeleven you hit the Scan button, wait a long time for it to finish then hit the email button (top right) to send the report to yourself to see the software version of every ECU. I did this with my original 2.1, then again with 3.1, then with 3.2.11. Note some of these will be different with different hardware like RWD vs. AWD. Here are the version numbers that changed on mine:
3.2.11 OTA
CE Front Drive Motor Control Module 2 8351 to 8353

3.2.12 OTA
42 Driver Door 0550 to 0551
52 Passenger Door 0550 to 0551
BB Rear Left Door 0550 to 0551
BC Rear Right Door 0550 to 0551
03 Brakes 0518 to 0524
08 Air Conditioning 0425 to 0460
16 Steering Column 0071 to 0072
23 Brake Boost 0625 to 0626
3C Lane Change Assistant Right 0287 to 0289
A5 Driver Assistance 5321 to 5332

3.2.13 OTA
19. CAN Gateway from 0292 to 0299
8123 Application server 1 system 1 adaptive 0290 to 0299
8124 Application server 1 system 2 java 0290 to 0299

2.1 to 3.1 97ZZ
8123 Application server 1 system 1 adaptive 0123 to 0290
8124 Application server 1 system 2 java 0123 to 0290
8125 Application server 3 system 1 infotainment 0792 to 0561 (this is the only ECU that makes it show 3.1)
8128 Light line display 1 0106 to 0107
01 Engine 1534 to 2222
03 Brakes 0502 to 0518
06 Passenger Seat 0560 to 0562
08 Air Conditioning 0383 to 0425
09 Central Electrics 0130 to 0307
13 Adaptive Cruise Control 0123 to 0234
15 Airbag 0366 to 0376
19 Gateway 0123 to 0292
23 Brake Boost 0601 to 0625
36 Driver Seat 0560 to 0562
3C Lane Change Assistant Right 0284 to 0287
42 Driver Door 0543 to 0550
44 Steering Assistance 5024 to 5033
51 Rear Drive Motor 6035 to 6045
52 Passenger Door 0543 to 0550
5F Multimedia 0792 now 0561
6C Rear View Camera 0324 to 0394
75 Telematics 0292 to 0664
76 Parking Assistance 0208 to 0421
7E Dashboard Display 0520 to 0531
8C Battery Energy Module 0920 to 1041
A5 Driver Assistance 5230 to 5321
BB Rear Left Door 0543 to 0550
BC Rear Right Door 0543 to 0550
C6 Battery Charger 0013 to 1019
CE Front Drive Motor Control Module 2 8315 to 8351

3.7 (EU) or 3.5.11 (US) OTA or Recall 919A
C002 Software Cluster Embedded V04007006SA 0329
0019 Gateway 1EA937012AD 0329
0001 Engine
0EA906012EG 2927
0EA906012DK 2603
0003 Brakes 1EA614517BC 0526
0009 Central Electrics 1EA937089AJ 0311
0023 Brake Boost 1EA909059AN 0626
005 Rear Drive Motor
1EA907121BC 6045
1EA907121AH 6050
1EA907121BE 6046
008C Battery Energy Module 0Z1915184J 1041
0042 Driver Door 1EA959593E 0551
0052 Passenger Door 1EA959592E 0551
00C6 Battery Charger
1EA915684GC 2022
1EA980556J 0397
0076 Parking Assistance
1EA919300A 0580
1EA919294D 0421
005F Multimedia 10A035842N 1751
8125 Application server 3 system 1 infotainment V04007008CD 1751
00BC Rear Right Door 1EA959596E 0551
00BB Rear Left Door 1EA959597E 0551
00CE Front Drive Motor Control Module 2
1EA907121AN 8022
1ED907121AS 8353
0075 Telematics 11A035285D 0686
006C Rear View Camera 1EA907556S 0314
00C0 Actuator for exterior noise 11K035335F 0008
8116 Sound Enhancement 2 11K035335G 0006

The below tables list the versions from the VW docs. This looks like those who got the 3.2.1 (97HB or 97HC) match up with my 3.2.11. You can see they are slowly getting us 21 and 22 to the same versions. It would be interesting to see a 23 scan.

(After posting, I realized that my situation is pretty much the same as Antonio above. Plus my dealer's intransigence.)
I wonder if anyone will have an idea why I might have a different version on a couple of these. I am trying to confirm that 919A was completed OTA, because my dealer says it was not (and won't replace the door handles without redoing it, meaning we'd have to leave the car for "2 to 3 days" instead of a single workday for the handles).

When I run a report with Veepeak and Car Scanner BLE+, I find that almost everything is the same as SunWizard's "Recall 919A" list above. But there are some discrepancies:

• Unconcerning - Some lines don't show up, but mostly in places where the NHTSA bulletin lists them as having the same function and software version as a line that does show up.
• Somewhat concerning - the very first line SunWizard mentions doesn't show up in my report - C002 "Software Cluster Embedded";
  • is that because my app, or my dongle, doesn't look for this?
• More concerning - 008C - Battery Energy Module is still on 1030 instead of 1041, and the "part #" is 0Z1915184G instead of 0Z1915184J (that is, G instead of J)
• Less concerning- 006C - Rear View Camera; mine is at 0397, vs. SunWizard's listed 0314.
  • I'm assuming that means I have a higher software version?

So basically, there are two modules that have different software versions than shown on SunWizard's list, and several that are simply not shown (though usually in settings where it's clear that the software version would be correct if it were shown.) The two discrepant software versions seem unlikely to affect the door handle replacement, and I find it hard to believe they truly represent problems with the OTA, since everything else is updated.

I kind of wonder whether those two lines are different because I have a late 2023. Except that the NHTSA bulletin "Appendix A - Software Table" shows all software numbers matching SunWizard's, and I'm not sure why they wouldn't list mine as alternates if mine are valid.

 

[antonioM]

Thanks @Lincoln , I was waiting for someone else with a 2023 ID.4 Pro S AWD to confirm their 008C code level after the update.
Looks like yours also remained at version 1030.

The 2021/2022 ID.4s had 008C updated to version 1041 as part of the 3.2.x updates (97HB and 97ZZ). The later production 2023s came with software 3.5.x already installed. The early production 2023s did not, and they never got any of the 3.2.x updates like the 2021/2022 cars did.

I think the 3.5.x update (919A) didn't include the 008C upgrade because it had already been previously done in the 3.2.x updates. But VW neglected to take into account that the early production 2023s never got the 3.2.x updates. And so even after the 3.5.x update, the early production 2023s remain at an old BMS code level.

What we need now is someone with a 2023 ID.4 that came with software 3.5.x from the factory to do a dump and see what their BMS level is. I suspect it will be 1041. In summary, this is what I'm thinking:

2021/2022 ID.4s

• came with 1030
• updated to 1041 with 3.2.x updates (97HB/97ZZ)

Late production 2023 ID.4s

• came with 1041 from factory

Early production 2023 ID.4s

• came with 1030
• did not receive 3.2.x updates
• 3.5.x update (919A) does not include 008C upgrade
• remain at 1030

At first, I was only mildly concerned mostly just because I expected the BMS to be updated but it was not. However, since getting the 3.5.x update, I've noticed a quirk in the state of charge on my car after charging. When I start driving after having charged, the SoC always increases by a few percent. For example, I set my charge limit to 70%. The car charges to 70% and stops. Once I start driving, within 5-10 minutes all of a sudden, my SoC starts increasing, usually ending up at 73%. This behavior only started after the software update. I still need to try a full battery recalibration to see if that fixes it, but it was calibrated well prior to the software update. One theory I have now is that the older 1030 BMS code isn't working as well with the newer updated code from other charging related components, but who knows 🤷‍♂️


EDIT:
I just realized you mentioned yours was a late 2023. Did it already have 3.5.x software on it when you purchased it? If so, that blows some holes in what I was thinking.

 

[SunWizard]

I agree with your analysis of the versions. And I agree about this:

I still need to try a full battery recalibration to see if that fixes it