That's it - mainly due to the rare 235/50-20 front tire size. Plenty of rear tires to choose from, not much for the front, so when combined there's only a handful of options.

I can't even find a set of Chinese tires through 4 different national tire distributors that have a matching F/R pair for the 20" ID.4. These really are your only choices, unfortunately, unless you want to mix and match front & rear tires.

On the bright side, these are all extremely premium tires. Anything else would likely have tradeoffs, and be cheaper for a reason. (Until Michelin releases an EV-specific all-season tire, or fitments on the Pilot Sport All-Season 4)

For your use case, the Pilot Sport 4 will be complete overkill as a summer tire, but amazing. Your efficiency will drop a little, though.

 

That's it - mainly due to the rare 235/50-20 front tire size. Plenty of rear tires to choose from, not much for the front, so when combined there's only a handful of options.

I can't even find a set of Chinese tires through 4 different national tire distributors that have a matching F/R pair for the 20" ID.4. These really are your only choices, unfortunately, unless you want to mix and match front & rear tires.

On the bright side, these are all extremely premium tires. Anything else would likely have tradeoffs, and be cheaper for a reason. (Until Michelin releases an EV-specific all-season tire, or fitments on the Pilot Sport All-Season 4)

For your use case, the Pilot Sport 4 will be complete overkill as a summer tire, but amazing. Your efficiency will drop a little, though.

I put a set of

Got curious about replacing the Bridgestone Alenza Sport AS that come OEM on the 20 inch ProS wheels (staggered size). Never loved Bridgestone tires. We live in Alabama and get about 1/2 inch of snow per year. I typically run summer tires on my cars down here, as winters are very mild.

Went to check Tire Rack and there are literally only 4 choices for the ID4:

1. OEM Alenza Sport (AS)
2. Pirelli PZero (max performance summer)
3. Pirelli Scorpion Winter
4. Michelin Pilot Sport 4 SUV (summer)

Are you kidding me? Only 4 options? Am I only being offered these based on my geography? But then why the winter option?

I know there’s been a lot of discussion about winter tire options, but has anyone had to replace their non-winter tires (summer or AS)?

I have 1st edition RWD and put these on for the winter, Pirelli Scorpion Winter, bought from Tire Rack and sent to a local guy by my house to put them on, he did 'road force balancing' and wow these tires ride nice and perform well. If you live in the Midwest like I do, I would recommend these.

 

Thanks, @fiehlsport . Just amazed that there is literally only ONE all season tire option for this car. How crazy is that?!

Hope that Bridgestone factory keeps pumping them out, as our roads are notorious for junk (nails, etc) on them. I average a puncture every year or two.

I like the Michelin Pilot Sport AS, but the street/track Pilot Sport 4 seem like overkill for a family SUV with 201 HP 😂.

 

There are plenty of choices if you decided to go with a 255/45 R20 for both the front and back. Although with the rear wheels at 9" wide and fronts at 8" wide, you probably would want to keep them on the same dedicated axles.

Some of the tradeoffs of the wider tire at front would be a little more weight and increase in drag/friction (lower efficiency) and maybe some more oversteer/less understeer at the limits of cornering adhesion (which stability control should deal with effectively).

It's worth considering as long as you look into the pros/cons and determine if it's the right decision for you.

 

I found 11 tire options:

 

Those are EU approved tires. They aren't US DOT and/or TC - Transport Canada approved tires.

So, they aren't legal in NA.

 

We must be searching different size tires:

 

I was searching for summer tires you are searching for all-seson tires.

"All-season" is con that only Americans fall for! You can buy them in Europe if you really want them, but Europeans generally prefer "the correct tool for the job" ie either Summer or Winter tires, rather than jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none "All-season" tires.

 

I think this post should be prefaced that in the US we have poor selection for 20" fitment.

 

I don't know why they are so rare in the US, quite a few cars use that size:

 

There is a common misconception that summer tires are fine for all year use and if you live in a warm climate that is very true. But, those tires lose grip around 45*F as the rubber gets really hard and looses grip and traction. Snow tires (better called winter tires) have a rubber compound that stays soft in colder temps and therefore provide the grip required by those conditions. Even though it only snows 1/2" down south, I bet the temps are colder (below 45*F) many more days.

I know in the US we don't like being told by the Gov't what to do even it is for our own safety and that of others. But we drive deadly machines and need to make sure we are doing so safely. Other countries, such as Germany require winter tires on all cars. Consider a winter tire/wheel setup just like another option such as heated seats.

 

There is a common misconception that summer tires are fine for all your use and if you live in a warm climate that is very true. But, those tires lose grip around 45*F as the rubber gets really hard. Snow tires (better called winter tires) have a rubber compound that stays soft in colder temps and therefore provide the grip required by those conditions. Even though it only snows 1/2" down south, I bet the temps are colder (below 45*F) many more days.

I know in the US we don't like being told by the Gov't what to do even it is for our own safety and that of others. But we drive deadly machines and need to make sure we are doing so safely. Other countries, such as Germany require winter tires on all cars. Consider a winter tire/wheel setup just like another option such as heated seats.

Where I live there isn’t a single month of the year where the average daily temperature is below 45°. I have run summer tires on my performance cars here for the past decade and have had absolutely no issues in the winter time. I’m not stupid enough to drive on them when it does ice and snow. So for me, even this far north, summer tires are perfectly reasonable. But for the ID4 I’d like to stay on AS cause they wear better/longer.

 

For many of us a winter tire would be foolish. But also a summer tire might not be ideal for a few months a year. So, I run AS on the family car rather than faff around with two sets of tires and/or wheels. This is not unreasonable at all. I don’t need max performance summer tires on a family SUV. I know the limitations of AS tires, but for me convenience wins the day. Your insulting comment about “Americans” falling for the “con” was rude.

 

I get that you got all het up about that comment, you displayed your insecurities very clearly.

Have a little read on this forum you'll see plenty of Americans also describing "all season" tires as a scam.

I also get that you don't want the inconvenience of two sets of wheels/tires. Please understand that no one wants that inconvenience. People all around the world don't buy two sets and swap them over by season, for fun. They do it because winter tires work when it is cold and summer tires work when it is warm. Note: winter tires aren't just for snow/ice, they are for cold conditions.

It would be brilliant if someone invented tire that worked all year round. But no such thing exists. It comes down to: when you press that brake pedal what do you want to happen? Do you want to skid into an oncoming semitruck?

What if your family die in the accident but you survive? An accident caused because you didn't want the inconvenience of two sets of wheels/tires? That doesn't feel like a fun few decades to me.

Oh and "average" temperature is irrelevant. It is the "low" temperature that is important.

 

Tire Rack does not carry every brand of tire available, so they are not authoritative in the market.

That said, yeah, not many options in the US for 20” owners. Fingers crossed that there will be more options soon. Otherwise, it’s either back to the OEM tires, which outside of snow aren’t bad at all, or convert to a square setup, which I really don’t want to do, though I did do that on my previous EV.

 

Yup - Lots of really great Euro tires aren't available here. Found that out when shopping for stickier tires for my Miata

 

Back in the day I knew a few people with MX5s. They all raved about Bridgestone RE050A. You can get semi-slick road legal track day tires such as the Toyo R888R but they wear out very quickly and are terrible in the wet. Can you not get those over the pond? Generally tuning bits are more available there than here.

 

Normally have the opposite problem: too many choices. So, when there are only three alternatives available, this is a blessing.

 

Discount Tire has the Yokohama
Geolandar CV G058 available for the ID.4 19" rims. Anyone used this model? I have Yokohama tires that I like on my FIAT 500e, but they're a completely different series, so they're not really comparable.

 

Discount Tire has the Yokohama
Geolandar CV G058 available for the ID.4 19" rims.

Does the tire's load come in XL?

 

It's a common misconception among tire gurus like myself to insist that all-seasons are terrible at everything, and good at nothing. Of course, summer tires offer the best grip in warmer conditions, and winter tires are best on snow or ice covered pavement. I've had dedicated winter tires myself on all my vehicles for the past 20+ years.

But for those that won't see snow, and only cold temperatures down to around 32F/0C, an all season tire can do remarkably well. All weather tires have also become more advanced and offer a good solution as well. Braking distances for winter tires actually aren't all that good in the dry or wet even in cold temperatures, and can be quite worse than even the "evil" all season tires in those conditions even at those cold temperatures. Test results speak for themselves:

Testing Winter, Summer, and All-Season Tires at Different Temperatures - TiresVote.com

There is a popular opinion that all-season tires are a cure-all solution for motorists, and can even in certain cases perform better than dedicated winter tires, in spite of the manufacturers’ advice to have your summer tires replaced with winter ones at temperatures below 7 °C.

tiresvote.com

and

Do Winter Tires Really Outperform All-Seasons on Cold Dry Roads? | Saskatchewan Studded Tire Club

www.skstuds.ca

So yes, all seasons certainly have their place for folks in climates that won't see any measurable snowfall or who won't be driving their vehicle much in those conditions.

 

Sorry, my bad. I was half asleep and thus the error.

Thx for the info.

 

So far, the Yokohamas seem to be slightly less efficient than the stock 19" tires, but it's really too early to tell. On the OEMs, I got around 3.2-3.3 m/kwh and so far I'm getting around 2.9-3.0 on the Yokohamas.

 

So far, the Yokohamas seem to be slightly less efficient than the stock 19" tires, but it's really too early to tell. On the OEMs, I got around 3.2-3.3 m/kwh and so far I'm getting around 2.9-3.0 on the Yokohamas.

It's been a minute since this post. How did the Yokohamas hold up?

 

500 gentle miles.

 

Tire Rack - Discount Tire... same thing I think. About 4K miles ago I had Hankook ION EVO AS (SUV) installed on my 2023 PRO S AWD (staggered). I chose to install a different rear size (265/45R20) because of the rotations per mile ending up closer to the front as well as the calibrated RPM by VW. I had no issues with Discount Tire after approving the non-OEM size. These tires are absolutely fantastic. Significant increase in range and major reduction in noise (as compared to the OEM Pirellis that I replaced). Diving 70MPH over good pavement I read 59dB in the cabin!! Overall handling is very comparable.