[fireboy92k]

yes, my only point was that 3.5 is no longer listed on the VW software sight, and so to your point, it no longer exists basically. VW has never, that I've seen, published a list of software features when it started on a vehicle, only when it was an OTA. I can't find any reference that 3.5 has ever been delivered to a car OTA, only installed at the factory.

A few things:

1. In a screenshot I posted here, Skoda said - among other things - that they want to bring all Enyaqs to the dealer for 3.7. Further, they said that 3.7 is ”dead” so they want everyone to have that so they can focus on further developments. I took this to mean that 3.7 is no longer being tweaked - plenty of cars already have it - and any further development to 3.x would be 3.8/3.9/….

2. Volkwagen said on the ID Drivers Club that 3.7 doesn’t add any features to 3.5 (which itself had V2G only). I think I posted that screenshot as well.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

I can't find any reference that 3.5 has ever been delivered to a car OTA, only installed at the factory.

It hasn’t been. Latest wide update is 3.2 done at a workshop. If it was, it would explode on the drivers club -group and other forums.

I’ve seen exactly one report of 3.4 (?) showing up as an update when checking with a VIN, and even that user has not been able to actually receive it.

 

[fireboy92k]

Well, the trouble I think is that the picture posted above at the top from the ID drivers club implies that 3.7 is NOT dead (bullet 3) and that it will replace the previously only factory installed for some few cars 3.5. At least in Europe, since we don't get that treatment in VWoA.

I can find plenty of YT videos of cars in Europe with 3.5 installed (Chris from Battery Life did this one

and this one Is the VW Route planner in Id Software 3.5 any good? (youtube.com)), but of course since there is no list of features on a release to release basis, who knows what's different about it conclusively. He gives a decent rundown at the point in the link.

Regardless, the software is a mess, the US fleet of ID.4's is all over the place and they are, IMHO, deperately trying to get it updated across 3 years of cars and multiple production cuts ins inside of those years all to a relatively same baseline from which they can TRY to do platform OTA's from. 2021's under what became the 97ZZ recall, early 2022's under the 97HA/HB technical service bulletins, and now the later 2022's under 97HC. By the time VW gets around to being able to do any consistent OTA anyone who leased a car early on will be up and others will have left the platform entirely.

The folks that stay around the longest MAY benefit from future software updates, but it seems unlikely. 3.x is basically on life support at this point.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

^the wording by Skoda is weird but they say as it is ’dead’ all cars could be updated to that version [regrdless of whether what version a car currently has].

Compared to the aborted OTA last year, they were updating to 3.0 when 3.2 had already been out for a while.

This was why I read it to mean it’s finished/complete, and any new development - to which Skoda also referred to - would be in a newer version.

edit: here’s the post by Skoda I keep referring to. It’s ”obsolete”, not ”dead”, and 3.x, not 3.7 specifically.

 

[fireboy92k]

That's an interesting way to describe car software. We don't usually refer to active software baselines as 'obsolete'. Windows 95 is obsolete (as in it pretty much no longer runs on modern equipment and nobody in their right mind would use it). Windows 7 is no longer for sale, but most would not consider is 'obsolete' and there are plenty of computers still running it and people installing it (via downgrade rights) just fine. Granted, they did use quote marks.

But yeah, those 2 different posts, as I read them, don't really contradict each other in principle.

• 3.5 is done, it was installed at the factory only, and it will never be delivered otherwise.
• 3.7 is also 'done', but it's not presently OTA ready. Here is where the statements differ. Your Skoda post says no matter what they do, it will never be OTA because it could brick you car. The VW post implies that they are still planning for it to be OTA.

Regardless, neither version seems to add any new features other than possible bug fixes, etc. in the background and VW is still trying to get the cars baselined to a level where OTA is even possible for major releases. It appears, as I noted, that after 2+ years and multiple baselines, VW still has not completely figured out OTA. And with 4.x on the horizon with the 2024 models, one can see why CARiad wants to move on and quit adding/fixing 3.x. Nothing before 2024 will ever have 4.x and beyond, so for them it's a 'waste' of time and resources as there is no revenue in it at this point. It's the price we are all paying for being early adopters. Tesla was much the same a decade ago, but nobody remembers those days because it was too long ago. Remember at one point to keep going, Model S owners had to choose to fork over thousands of dollars to have the computer in their car upgraded.

I wonder, would we as a community be willing to 'pay for' pre-heating on an individual basis if they needed the revenue to make it worth working on? Clearly I don't think VW will ever be as bold as Telsa and offer a complete computer upgrade package (though I think they could/should).

 

[Pres]

I wonder, would we as a community be willing to 'pay for' pre-heating on an individual basis if they needed the revenue to make it worth working on? Clearly I don't VW will ever be as bold as Telsa and offer a complete computer upgrade package (though I think they should).

This is kind of how I see CarNet, if they don't add more features or improve the current ones I don't see how VW can expect to get a lot of reoccurring subscription revenue.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

In this vein, I just had "OUI3" activated for my car. Description says "ICAS1 for 3.4", which is kinda weird as my car has, to my knowledge, always had 3.2 from the factory. That's what it originally said and the dealer told me, 3.5 was not released and I've not received a system update OTA or otherwise. Just additional stuff and the PWR update. Then again, I've seen no one post a screen that said "3.4" and yet Volkswagen does list it as something that was released, so...

As for what is is, not much, but looks promising.

"This update does not contain any additional functions, but only necessary adjustments for vehicles of certain model weeks in order to prepare them for subsequent updates.
Such small updates take place regularly and equalise differences between the different versions so that all affected vehicles have the same initial status before a major update.

Best regards
Your Volkswagen ID. Team"

 

[shenanigans]

In this vein, I just had "OUI3" activated for my car. Description says "ICAS1 for 3.4", which is kinda weird as my car has, to my knowledge, always had 3.2 from the factory. That's what it originally said and the dealer told me, 3.5 was not released and I've not received a system update OTA or otherwise. Just additional stuff and the PWR update. Then again, I've seen no one post a screen that said "3.4" and yet Volkswagen does list it as something that was released, so...

As for what is is, not much, but looks promising.

"This update does not contain any additional functions, but only necessary adjustments for vehicles of certain model weeks in order to prepare them for subsequent updates.
Such small updates take place regularly and equalise differences between the different versions so that all affected vehicles have the same initial status before a major update.

Best regards
Your Volkswagen ID. Team"

Interesting. I wonder if my car is fully on the expected baseline then. 10/2020 built, but got updated to 3.2 last September by dealership.

On one hand it'd be cool to see OTA in action on it.
On the other hand I'm afraid what will happen if one of the modules is possibly left behind on some ancient version. Guess time will tell.

 

[fireboy92k]

Interestingly, it appears that Audi has figured out how to do pre-heating in the Q4, which is based on MEB. And a MUCH higher average charging rate.

 

[Nai3t]

Wow, that's great, and yet so frustrating that activating the preheating is tied to selecting a VW-recognized DCFC site, or in Bjorn's case gaming the system with a ghost destination.

And what was up with that wildly optimistic SOC-upon-arrival estimate of 46%? That's a pretty far cry from 6%.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Interestingly, it appears that Audi has figured out how to do pre-heating in the Q4, which is based on MEB. And a MUCH higher average charging rate.

Which model year? Volkswagen ID.7, ID.4, ID.5 and Skoda Enyaq 85 and 85x all have it. Since this year (not sure if the L&K edition of Enyaq had it last fall; it did have the new engine).

 

[WolfpackBill]

Which model year? Volkswagen ID.7, ID.4, ID.5 and Skoda Enyaq 85 and 85x all have it. Since this year (not sure if the L&K edition of Enyaq had it last fall; it did have the new engine).

None of the NA ID.4's have battery preconditioning. We are pretty far behind. The 2023 just now have Plug-and-charge capability enabled.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

None of the NA ID.4's have battery preconditioning. We are pretty far behind. The 2023 just now have Plug-and-charge capability enabled.

I was asking which MY Audi has preconditioning. It’s MEB and if it was ’born’ with 3.x AND has preconditioning, that’s huge, because thus far the line has been

a) it’s not feasible due to there being no way for the infotainment to communicate with the battery heat management,

b) Skoda being the only company in the Volkswagen Group / Cariad who wants to solve that somehow.

If an Audi 3.x has that, it disproves both.

 

[Dougie01]

Bug fixes is what I want. New features are interesting in theory.

 

[fireboy92k]

Honestly, I looked at his other videos on the same car (I haven't watched them all end to end) and if he says he does so in the audio somewhere. It's not in the descriptions of any of the videos that I can find.

Granted, Audi uses a different system than the other VW brands for their MMI (EDIT for clarity: they use the Audi MIB architecture and the Q4 specifically uses MIB3), so I assume it's that code vs what we have in ICAS 3 for the Skoda and the VW? It does seem that the Audi Plus MMI has the eTron route planner built into it. infotainment and connectivity | Audi MediaCenter (audi-mediacenter.com)

Which model year? Volkswagen ID.7, ID.4, ID.5 and Skoda Enyaq 85 and 85x all have it. Since this year (not sure if the L&K edition of Enyaq had it last fall; it did have the new engine).

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Bug fixes is what I want. New features are interesting in theory.

That’s what to expect.

• 3.5 is bi-directional charging (hidden in the US?)
• 3.7 is just fixes and optimization.

 

[fireboy92k]

So far I have not seen any announcements on the US side about bi-directional charging/V2X. I think Diess' last statement on that AMA that it was coming everywhere next year was the last anyone has said about it, sadly.

That’s what to expect.

• 3.5 is bi-directional charging (hidden in the US?)
• 3.7 is just fixes and optimization.

 

[Dougie01]

So far I have not seen any announcements on the US side about bi-directional charging/V2X. I think Diess' last statement on that AMA that it was coming everywhere next year was the last anyone has said about it, sadly.

If the car supported bi-directional charging, what would you plug it into in your garage?

 

[Nai3t]

I think Diess' last statement on that AMA that it was coming everywhere next year was the last anyone has said about it, sadly.

I recall his two promises were Auto Hold and Plug & Charge. I don't remember him committing to anything else.

 

[fireboy92k]

You made me go back and look.

I recall his two promises were Auto Hold and Plug & Charge. I don't remember him committing to anything else.