[p__x]

Which of course makes me wonder if it in fact it was all about the "buzz" and very little about actually making a dent in the market with an EV minivan.

indeed, it all impresses as it's to keep the buzz and not the actual minivan. At the current market, one can get 2 used pacifica plugins for $70K. Or one can get a BMW i3 or a clarity plugin and a pacifica plugin for $60K.

 

[NYCVW]

Well, you can get a Kia EV9 as you said before, the Buzz will NOT be a van that everyone can afford, it will be low volume and expensive so there. If you have the money it will be a van that will make many people happy with their choice… or not, Personally don’t care, the only reason I replied was because of the comparison that you were trying to achieve, made no sense to me. No let go some important stuff 😊

 

[p__x]

Well, you can get a Kia EV9 as you said before, the Buzz will NOT be a van that everyone can afford, it will be low volume and expensive so there. If you have the money it will be a van that will make many people happy with their choice… or not, Personally don’t care, the only reason I replied was because of the comparison that you were trying to achieve, made no sense to me. No let go some important stuff 😊

Well, people can compare things based on many things. I personally find availability vs. non-availability a more relevant thing for a comparison over 3-row SUV vs. 3-row minivan. Obviously, YMMV

You do get my point. It will be an expensive, low volume, niche product that will hold its value very poorly. More practical, but course-wise likely similar to the Cybertruck.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

European prices include VAT , a rather steep sales tax equivalent.

I keep forgetting your prices are not what you actually pay.

 

[Froggy]

I keep forgetting your prices are not what you actually pay.

In my state the sales tax/vat would be 5%. This varies state by state and is the reason that prices don’t mention the sales tax.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

In my state the sales tax/vat would be 5%. This varies state by state and is the reason that prices don’t mention the sales tax.

I know - I just keep forgetting it. Europe, the VAT is the same per country and it's actually illegal to advertise prices to consumers without including the applicable VAT. Basically you need to advertise the actual price of the product or service.

 

[bubzki]

By the way, my US dealer called and asked how I'd like my 1st Edition ID.Buzz LWB built yesterday, including color and drive train. I didn't expect this for a while yet!

 

[p__x]

By the way, my US dealer called and asked how I'd like my 1st Edition ID.Buzz LWB built yesterday, including color and drive train. I didn't expect this for a while yet!

So you might have an MSRP after all. Keep us posted

 

[Moe]

Volkswagen announces its ID.Buzz offer structure in the US

Volkswagen announced its 2025 ID.Buzz offer structure in the United States. The German automaker will offer three ID. Buzz trims in the United States: the Pro S, Pro S Plus, and the launch-only 1st Edition. The 2025 VW ID.Buzz rear-wheel-drive (RWD) model has a 91 kWh battery and 282...

www.teslarati.com

 

[bubzki]

So you might have an MSRP after all. Keep us posted

No MSRP yet--I will definitely share when I have it. I did select AWD, mainly because I want those second-row captains' chairs.

 

[dipper]

I wonder, when the range comes out, would people pass. The SWB real world range sucks, and with extra cell pack, will it be enough to make it acceptable for the asking price?

 

[JohnnyForElectric]

<sarcasm> Hm, remixing corporate parts-bin into a new format that comes 2 years too late? I wonder why they don't mention regular OTA... </sarcasm>

Exciting! How much? Looking at the vw.de pricing - hypothesis: start at $70k (RWD) and end at $85k (AWD Pro S Plus). Thoughts?

 

[p__x]

<sarcasm> Hm, remixing corporate parts-bin into a new format that comes 2 years too late? I wonder why they don't mention regular OTA... </sarcasm>

Exciting! How much? Looking at the vw.de pricing - hypothesis: start at $70k (RWD) and end at $85k (AWD Pro S Plus). Thoughts?

yup. if the 3-row version were any less than $70-75K they would have already announced the price.

 

[bubzki]

If you convert the European prices (~73K EUR) to USD (~$79K USD) then subtract about 20% VAT, it looks like the European RWD LWB starts at ~63K USD equivalent.

My bet is on the AWD US versions starting at ~$67,900 with AWD First Editions a little more (~$69,000) as they come basically loaded.

I originally thought these would be north of $90K MSRP, but that doesn't look to be the case now. Anyone disagree?

EDIT: I also see that AWD/GTX Euro prices are available at 78K EUR, which would convert to ~$67K USD by the same math (which is NOT reliable!)

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Anyone disagree?

Are the trims about equivalent? ID.4 is way cheaper in the US - at the cost of completely missing out on some features, so they are not exactly comparable. Are the Buzz's?

 

[bubzki]

Good questions, but there are a ton of factors here, and it's still pretty unclear how and why they set pricing as they do. Recall that US ID.4s are now made locally, but the Buzz will be made in Germany only to start. And it is indeed typical for US market models to have more set options (packages), whereas Euro models often start with less equipment but have higher trims and options available that we don't get in the US.

So, you're probably right that they're not exactly comparable, but what more can we do for now with VW being radio silent on price?

 

[p__x]

If you convert the European prices (~73K EUR) to USD (~$79K USD) then subtract about 20% VAT, it looks like the European RWD LWB starts at ~63K USD equivalent.

My bet is on the AWD US versions starting at ~$67,900 with AWD First Editions a little more (~$69,000) as they come basically loaded.

not sure if this math translates that well. But $68K would be reasonable in my view. But if it were reasonable, they would have advertised it already. So I expect it to be higher.

I originally thought these would be north of $90K MSRP, but that doesn't look to be the case now. Anyone disagree?

The market. Post rebate/tax cut my 2023 AWD ProS was ~$45.5K. I don't think I could sell it for more than $35K now. With the revival of the used market and other 3rd row EV competition, I'd expect the value of the Buzz to fall even more markedly. Unlike during COVID, people can totally wait it out now.

Still a draw and an exciting car for the enthusiasts.

 

[NYCVW]

The US always get VW new models around 2 years later ( Electric or not) that’s actually a thing, less features than the Europeans counterparts, sometimes less cool lighting, MK7 GTI was a good example compared to what they had in Europe, Matrix lighting still illegal in the states after so many years etc…
Pricing is never comparable to the states.

 

[new to electrics]

The US model will be, I think, very close to the Euro long wheelbase version in most mechanical respects. No reason they should change that. So that means all the charging curve, etc. should be close to the same as well.

I hope that they revise the software baseline by the time they go live here in the US. Anything 4.0 and before at this point, as it has been the baseline in Europe, is already too slow and out of date.

I expect the pricing to start in the high $40k range and go up quickly. I bet the top of the line prices out well north of $60k.

I'd say you're off by at least $20K, perhaps $35K.

 

[Dougie01]

The paint robot has 11 colors in its tanks, but only a small subset of the color combinations are possible.

Customer should have choice of single-tone or two-tone, and any combination of the 11 colors. What is the problem, are they masking the two-tone versions by hand? And even if so, then an up-charge for the two-tone combo would make sense, but then I still should be able to choose any colors the robot can spray.

I'm carrying a strong suspicion that the VWoA marketing geniuses have a hand in this.