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VW to get Tesla supercharger access in March (US)

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#17 ·
And the actual quote from the article:
"We get access to the network in June/July, when we have an official VW adapter," Mark Gillies, director of public relations at VW Group of America, told us here at CES.

Knowing VW, June/July means end of July, or probably more like August/September because they'll be late to file some necessary paperwork.
 
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I'm a bit more pragmatic than that. I'll use any charging station that streamlines a trip for me. So, even with Tesla, I'm agnostic.

I just chuckle to think that most EV folks believe that SC access means the end to all their charging problems. But just the simple fact for me that the nearest SC is a v2, and therefore no NACS, and that the closest NACS capable station has Magic Docks, and so doesn't need a adapter at all, points to the fact that it isn't just going to be pull up to any SuperCharger, plug in, and charge.

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I just ordered the Lectron adapter a few days ago (my wife has a Kona, and she gets access Jan 15).

I wasn't expecting the Tesla thing to come through this year.

To me, the CCS providers are still going to be my go-to, but there are simply some places you cannot get in any convenient way on CCS alone. If nothing else, it is peace of mind even if I never give Elmo a dime.
 
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It sure makes it easier! I now have no qualms about a long road trip knowing I have access to the Supercharger network.
 
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Fantastic. I was guessing we’d have to wait until next winter :)
 
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The text of the article says June/July, btw… despite March in the headline.
 
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Bloomberg did an estimate earlier this year that they make about 10% profit on the network. And since we third party users pay more for electricity than their own drivers do…
 
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Just for grins I follow Tesla Charging on X. The number of charging sites opening globally every week is insane. Feels like about 33/67% V3/V4.
And if you don‘t feel like dealing with the hellscape that used to be Twitter, there’s a nice website that keeps track of them all with stats, links to chat, etc…
 
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Aside from a little confusion - will SC access be available only when VW can offer an adapter or will it be available sooner if you just go out and buy your own - I view this as a game changer for EVs in general and of course for VW in particular.

This past holiday I repeated a trip I made a couple of times before up the east coast, FL to eastern MD and DC. Whereas before good planning and research made the trip doable, this last one was very problematic.

Going up, no issues except in Norfolk. Multiple Tesla stations there. Of the CCS stations, a few EVGos one was completely down, one had two chargers, one down, the other the same. We detoured considerably out of our way to get to that most unusual of EA stations, one with like 8+ units. In MD tred to use a Blink, had to call to get it to start. Stopped at Magic Dock on our way to visit Annapolis, peice of cake there. Our first stop on the return was at EA station in VA; four units only, crowded one open spot, nobody wanted to use it because they said it was unresponsive. We gave it a go and spent 20 minutes on the phone with EA customer support who rebooted it. With our range in the low temps declining to l 180+ miles at full charge and my own protocol, (do not go below 20%, have at least 50 miles in reserve, and plan stops where there is backup site not far away) made more frequent stops. At an overnight stop at a hotel with charging, the only available spot was ICEd. Backup site was an EA, again, just four chargers, one available, plugged in and got a blistering 25 KW. Was there awhile (went and got breakfast). Next stop no issues other than arrived only one space, but next one, only four chargers one out of service, and several cars waiting. Tesla's dozen plus chargers not used. Proceeded to our backup alternate, supposedly an L3, turned out to be a 11KW L2. Charged for 1:30 to give us enough range with what we had left in the battery to get to the next station.

For comparison purposes, one of ours on the holiday break bought a Tesla, and did what for a newbie CCS driver with near zero experience would not be well advised; a day after owning a first EV, drive it 900 miles cross country. The remarkable thing about that journey was how unremarkable it was. He stopped where the car said he needed to stop, zero issues with broken chargers, congested stations, and none at all with charge initiation, no fumbling with apps, RFIDs that dont work, setting up multiple accounts, and all this nonsense we have to deal with.

I have to confess, I wondered if my second EV should have been a Tesla, despite the fact they need a computer to open the glove box door. But I prefer the ride, the quiet, and the general appearance of the ID.

If EA or any of the others would just put in more units instead of four along busy thorough ways, we would not need the conversation about opening up the Tesla SC network. But they dont and there are tons of SCs out there not getting used. I am not optimistic about seeing alot more EV infrastructure getting built in the next four years, but with word out that EVs are a practical commuter car and used ones a bargain and cheap to run, I think the percentage of EVs on the road will continue to increase. Critical mass is being achieved and growth inevitable no matter how much babies drill.

I get the owner of Tesla is a loose cannon, and he should either stick to running a successful hi tech engineering enterprise or get out and leave it to the fine team he has there. But bottom line here, the EV community needs the SC network. I have seen good progress with EA over the 15 months or so I have owned an ID, but they are years behind where they need to be.
 
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If EA or any of the others would just put in more units instead of four along busy thorough ways, we would not need the conversation about opening up the Tesla SC network. But they dont and there are tons of SCs out there not getting used. I am not optimistic about seeing alot more EV infrastructure getting built in the next four years, but with word out that EVs are a practical commuter car and used ones a bargain and cheap to run, I think the percentage of EVs on the road will continue to increase. Critical mass is being achieved and growth inevitable no matter how much babies drill.

I get the owner of Tesla is a loose cannon, and he should either stick to running a successful hi tech engineering enterprise or get out and leave it to the fine team he has there. But bottom line here, the EV community needs the SC network. I have seen good progress with EA over the 15 months or so I have owned an ID, but they are years behind where they need to be.
I gather that EA was just cash-constrained. Putting in chargers is incredibly expensive.

It used to be that there was quite a price premium for buying a Tesla, and my understanding was that they were using the profits to help build out the SC network. Think of it as a sales enablement kind of thing - without SC, Tesla would have never gotten anywhere.