My comment back on that email was similar. "Been within 150 miles of home and solar home charging. However, also, when I needed you on my 1300 mile round trip to the SF Bay Area, your system let me down. EVERY charging facility had at least one of four charging stands out of commission. The ones that did work were "balanced" and thus charged at a lower speed than posted on the unit. There were even labels, possibly posted by fellow members, which indicated the unacceptable charging rates of around 35 kwh on several of the charging stands. All this meant I had to charge more often wasting over 3 hours one way, turning a typical 12-13 hour trip into a 15-16 hour trip." Response - Crickets -
2023 VW ID.4 Pro S.

 

💖 She Remembers Me! 😍

 

I didn’t see any Xs and Os there.

 

Me too!

I felt unseen, so humiliating!

I checked Other, and wrote "Am I that forgettable, we went out on a date on Wednesday, and again on Saturday?!?"

And EA replied "ok, thanks."

😞

 

For a minute i felt left out but, lo, there was one for me too.

 

I received an email from Electrify America asking where I’ve been. I said that I had been within 150 miles of my house for about a year. Then I suggested where they needed to build a new site.

 

Got the same email, though I'd charged multiple times lately, and had to call EA because of charge failures on more than one occasion, as well.

 

From 2 days ago.

Lectron Secures UL 2252 Safety Certification for Its NACS & CCS1 Adapters

Lectron’s NACS and CCS1 DC fast-charging adapters have passed UL 2252 testing, confirming they are safe to use.

evchargingstations.com

 

And even better news (for some of us) is that the official name of the standard is ANSI/CAN/UL 2252 so it is also certified for use in Canada.

 

Why there are no issues with MEB in Europe?
I believe P&C has worked from the early ID4 days in Europe and remember some reporting having difficulty installing a certificate in their ID4.
CCS1 and CCS2 are not that far apart, right?
Tesla SuC is a nothing special in Europe either.

 

The only special requirement in the US that I know of is that Tesla seems to want to identify the vehicle manufacturer, so they can exclude non-partner vehicles. I don't know if they are taking a similar approach in Europe or not.

Beyond that, it is kind of guesswork on our part as to the nature of the actual technical difficulty.

 

Can also confirm that as of 3 days ago, our 2021 ID.4 is no longer able to charge at the non-MagicDock Supercharger in Ashland, VA.

Thanks for the report (and to junkdump202121). I guess I'll hold off on buying a NACS-CCS1 adapter for right now.

 

I think it's smart to wait. None of us actually know whether or not there might be any subtle but important difference might exist between, for example, a Lectron charger and one that is an "essentially identical" VW or Porsche branded Lectron unit.

 

So my limited understanding is that randomly generated MAC addresses do indeed conflict from time to time.

I'm thinking that because MAC randomization is a standard feature of Android, and there are a couple billion Android devices in the wild, true randomization with non-repeating addresses is not practical. There are around 300 trillion unique combinations, but that would get eaten into quickly with randomization and disposal.

So while I understand two devices sharing a MAC can be problematic to a network, there must be workarounds in place to solve this occasional conflict.

And remember the MAC randomization is intended to be more of a privacy attribute, not a security attribute. For services like Plug & Charge this remains true. However for Autocharge+, I believe MAC is the only attribute, and in this case is being used as a security feature and as such has been deemed by network professionals as "not secure."

 

Networks will temporarily disable both devices that share the same mac address. There are up to 281 billion mac addresses, so a collision between randomly generated addresses is very small. Like winning the Powerball lol.

 

Idk if the Audi/Porsche models have the same issue as the id4 where they all share the same static MAC address. Maybe related to that?

I'm fairly certain that's not true at all. I've read about a "rotating" MAC address, similar to how phones change their MAC address when connecting to networks. But these cars don't all share the same MAC address, they change and that's a reason they can't be used to identify the car. I think that fact got mistranslated and spread.

 

Can also confirm that as of 3 days ago, our 2021 ID.4 is no longer able to charge at the non-MagicDock Supercharger in Ashland, VA.

 

When I went through this with my Polestar, they ran a test for a week, then they ended the test, then they made an announcement and the access was restored on the announcement day, or maybe a day ahead of time.

 

A few weeks ago, I charged my ID.4 at a Tesla (non-magic dock) charger. Now I cannot, so looks like the former was a test now over, or moved to a different region. Hopefully that means real access is coming soon.

 

I tried charging my 2022 id4 on Friday. Didnt work. Since they recently announced technical difficulties and wont have us working maybe by end of year, they must have shut things off for now? This was at a Tesla site in St Peter MN

 

It was between Monday Sept 8th and Wed Sept 10th. I charged on Monday. Could not Wed.

 

True dat. The relevant quote in the linked article was "We get access to the network in June/July, when we have an official VW adapter" with the two contingencies being Tesla grants access and the adapter being available.

 

Maybe @pooge30 has a point (even if incorrect including 23). I know 24/25 had substantial changes. Do we have evidence of those working? I know for sure 21-23 have seen working.

 

I have a '24 and was able to charge at Tesla fine (non magic dock using Vortex adapter).

 

I read an Electrek article discussing the VW Supercharger delay. VW are now promising the end of the year. How very Muskish.

VW on Tesla Supercharger access: be patient, it should be coming this year

VW is advising customers to be a little more patient with Tesla Supercharger access, as it claims to be experiencing...

electrek.co

 

The quote from the VW representative is "We still expect to deliver access this year." That could be next month for all we know.

 

...though if we want to get conspiracy minded, maybe Tesla can't differentiate between the Q4 and the ID.4 and therefore excludes it "just because" until the VW adapter becomes available.

 

I don't think this is a joke, it's probably true!

 

I suppose one way to square the circle would be to force ID.4 and Q4 drivers to start charging sessions in the VW/Audi app, since that's paired to the car by VIN and would "sufficiently" ensure to Tesla that you're not trying to charge an unauthorized vehicle (like a Stellantis car or a Leaf with a CCS adapter) instead. In theory someone who owns both an ID.4 and an unauthorized car would still be able to use the VW app to start charging for an unauthorized car but there probably aren't enough people who have an ID.4 and a Wagoneer S to worry about.

Either that or Tesla could just stop doing manufacturer lockout and give up on trying to make whatever deal they think they can get Stellantis to make, since at this point it's clear Stellantis isn't doing a deal even though they plan to put J3400 connectors on their future EVs anyway. I'm not sure what Tesla thinks they're accomplishing at this point by dragging their feet on going fully open; if anything it's helping their new DCFC competitors like IONNA, Mercedes, and Walmart gain a foothold during their cash burn initial buildout.

 

Because Tesla is using what's essentially CCS, there should be no issues above and beyond what any other CPOs deal with, and our cars charge fine everywhere else without requiring a software update.

So it seems to me it's Tesla's problem to solve, or it has to do with how Tesla is choosing to identify our cars in their quest to maintain gatekeeping.

 

So it seems to me it's Tesla's problem to solve, or it has to do with how Tesla is choosing to identify our cars in their quest to maintain gatekeeping.

Outside of Magic Docks, Superchargers are technically only open to "official" NACS partners. The car simply needs to be able to identify itself as a partner brand. Why is handing out that identifier such a big hangup?

And it's probably not related to Plug & Charge, since the Ariya doesn't support it, but can charge.

 

Here's the relevant text from the linked article:

The summer came and went, and Volkswagen electric car drivers are still unable to charge at Tesla Superchargers. The company asks for "patience" as it works through "technical challenges," and says it still expects Supercharger access to happen this year.

"Volkswagen looks forward to making it possible for ID. Buzz and ID.4 vehicle owners to gain access to the Tesla NACS Partner Superchargers," a company spokesperson tells us. "The timeline has been delayed by technical challenges, and we ask for customers' patience. We still expect to deliver access this year."

Audi and Porsche, which are under the same parent company as Volkswagen, already have access. Volkswagen is one of the last remaining brands, along with BMW, Toyota, and Subaru, according to the Tesla website.

Porsche also seems to be having technical challenges. It's calling its current Supercharger access a "soft launch," meaning its drivers have to use the Tesla app to power up as it works to create the ideal experience on the Porsche app.

It mentions "technical challenges" but nothing about an "app" for VW.

Later, it mentions the Porsche app, but it's not a roadblock. They still get to charge using Tesla's app.

Sounds to me like it's something in the MEB cars themselves, not the phone app.

 

Who cares if it's in the app? It's not like we can activate via the VW app or pay for charging or plug & charge.

Idk if the Audi/Porsche models have the same issue as the id4 where they all share the same static MAC address. Maybe related to that?

 

Is this simply about difficulties in setting up charging through the VW app? If that's all it is, seems there's nothing stopping anyone from just using the Tesla app, even if it means you have to select a compatible vehicle instead of an ID.4.

 

The thing that is stopping you is that Tesla can tell if you are spoofing (each make has its own unique MAC address prefix [except clones like Honda/GM share one]) and at its whim Tesla will blacklist your car (or sometimes not). They COULD let you charge (and sometimes they actually do) but most of the time they won't let you.

 

I remember saying a few pages back that we'd get access after my November road trip. It seems to have come true! I'm going to Ottawa Ontario. Charging kind of sucks there and they JUST opened a Supercharger V4 on the way into town, and they're about to open one at the factory outlets mall that I always visit. It would have been so convenient. Alas, perhaps I can use them next summer when I go back.

 

Lame. Worked just fine in the unofficial mode. Should just leave that open.

 

Volkswagen: Tesla Supercharger Access Is Delayed Due to 'Technical Challenges'

Porsche also seems to be having difficulty connecting its app to Tesla's EV chargers.

www.pcmag.com

Delayed because of technical issues (with the app it appears).

 

What app? Are we supposed to be able to charge from the my VW app?

Why can't the ID.4 just charge from the Tesla app, like they now are letting the Porsche cars do?

I am convinced that there are NO technical issues, only financial issues in VW getting a cut of the charging revenue (by initiating from a VW app). From day 1 (and including today) there was/is no reason why you can't charge using the Tesla app the same as if you were using a Magic Dock. But VW is not willing to admit that they can't their app to work so they refuse to throw in the towel.