This is an interesting graphic from the article:

 

It's also interesting that the EA and EVgo have the exact same number of stations. Makes me wonder if it's a mistake (mostly because I make those type of mistakes regularly).

 

Tesla just delayed opening its US supercharger network by another 2 years.
Tesla now has until the end of 2024. This is bad news, not good news.

Also you have to use the tesla app, not plug and charge that is required for all other DCFC.

Tesla will try to keep their advantage as long as possible. By the end of 2024 there could be a new administration comming in that is more friendly to Elon Musk and could reverse everything by executive order.

 

Tesla just delayed opening its US supercharger network by another 2 years.
Tesla now has until the end of 2024. This is bad news, not good news.

Also you have to use the tesla app, not plug and charge that is required for all other DCFC.

Tesla will try to keep their advantage as long as possible. By the end of 2024 there could be a new administration comming in that is more friendly to Elon Musk and could reverse everything by executive order.

While I agree with you the alternative has been broken or barely functional chargers at EA. A competitor could have done better but instead they chose to barely offer what I would call service and also chasing after subsidies rather than trying to be profitable.

If EA missed the boat it's totally on them. All you had to do was provide charging and here we are a few years down the road and people still having issues doing the basics.

 

I rather push my heavy ass EV or freeze to death than put any more money in to Musk’s greedy company. Did you hear what he just tweeted and his political views? 🙄

 

Funding real-life Gavin Belson vs. freezing to death. Life's hard.

 

I think folks are going a bit overboard - one of the things that has made Tesla successful is their very reliable fast charging. So, all politics aside, if they WANT Fed (taxpayer $$) - I think it's perfectly fair to require any of that money to be spent equitably for all EVS, aka, open network. Not any of their self-funded chargers, just the NEVI ones. Do I personally like Elon? No, not anymore. Not for a long time really. Do I think the TESLA network is bar none the best? Absolutely. Should CCS folks be looking forward to being able to use some of it, funded by NEVI? Absolutely.

Does it really matter if TSLA is doing this for the money? I go to work every day for the money. That's life. I'm more interested in the HOW and WHERE they do it.

 

I think folks are going a bit overboard - one of the things that has made Tesla successful is their very reliable fast charging. So, all politics aside, if they WANT Fed (taxpayer $$) - I think it's perfectly fair to require any of that money to be spent equitably for all EVS, aka, open network. Not any of their self-funded chargers, just the NEVI ones. Do I personally like Elon? No, not anymore. Not for a long time really. Do I think the TESLA network is bar none the best? Absolutely. Should CCS folks be looking forward to being able to use some of it, funded by NEVI? Absolutely.

Does it really matter if TSLA is doing this for the money? I go to work every day for the money. That's life. I'm more interested in the HOW and WHERE they do it.

Their charging network is definitely the least controversial thing about Tesla.
I agree with you: more chargers, more options = better for us, users.
And just because there are more options it doesn't mean that one has to use them...or freeze to death as the above-proposed alternative.

 

So EA has over 3600 individual charging ports? Wow!
Now, how many of them are actually serviceable?

 

Meh, I'll believe it when I see it. I don't trust a guy with his own space program. He's a

 

Level 2 chargers shouldn't even be apart of the program... they are way too slow and no one will use them. Even the ones set at 7kw usually are 1.5kw whenever i use them or below that speed. More tax payer grift.

 

Level 2 chargers shouldn't even be apart of the program... they are way too slow and no one will use them

We could always use more Level 2 chargers in places that people normally park for a couple hours. Shopping centers, hotels, theaters, and hiking trail heads just to name a few.

 

Just this morning I was talking with a fellow - he asked me how I liked the ID.4, and mentioned he was planning on getting something (he had already installed the L2 at home, so I guess he is serious). Anyways, tangential to this he mentioned numerous cars he was looking at, but he said he didn't want a Tesla.

 

Tell him to get a BZ4X or Solterra so he will always be your wingman. 😉

 

How long until the first fistfight caused by a non-Tesla parked diagonally across three Supercharger stalls to get the cable to reach?

 

“Tesla has only committed to opening up 3,500 fast chargers, or around 20 percent of the automaker’s overall fast charging fleet. The other 4,000 chargers could come from the automaker’s roughly 10,000 slower, “Level 2” chargers. EV owners will have to get a Tesla app or use the Tesla website to plug in.”

The only commitment I read was that they would open up 7,500 by 2024. How many of them are available now? How will we know which stations will be available? Will new stations that Tesla builds with the $7.5 billion be available to non-Tesla drivers too? Ugh this is a ridiculous PR stunt.

 

“Tesla has only committed to opening up 3,500 fast chargers, or around 20 percent of the automaker’s overall fast charging fleet. The other 4,000 chargers could come from the automaker’s roughly 10,000 slower, “Level 2” chargers. EV owners will have to get a Tesla app or use the Tesla website to plug in.”

Does this sound to anyone else that it's meant to be just enough of a taste of the good life to convince CCS owners to switch to a Tesla?

 

Largely for my own amusement, I did some GIS fiddling on Wednesday and tried to pick out the existing Tesla Supercharger sites that might be eligible for NEVI funding for upgrades; about 460 locations appear to be candidates, before considering eligible corridors. There are probably a few omissions as well since the data I used didn't have an easy way to identify which CCS sites already have compliant charging hardware (I just counted any site with 4 or more CCS dispensers as compliant). Anyway here's a link to the map:

Potential Tesla NEVI sites

 

Actually all the ones that you mentioned in my state were on NEVI routes.

 

This is great news. I was eagerly anticipating this. There's a rural corridor on our regular trip from Boston to Montreal that always makes me nervous because of all the hill climbs. Having access to the Tesla chargers would make me feel so much better.

Also just in time for my free EA to run out lol.

 

I’m not sure why this news is creating so much angst. Whether they are 7500 all DCFC or a mix of L2, it’s 7500 more charging stations currently unavailable to non-Tesla cars. And those stations are more likely going to work than any EA, CP, EVGO, etc.

 

The relatively poor operating ratio on the EA charging network (as well as ChargePoint, EVGO, etc) is to me the main contrast and selling point for Tesla. It’s not only the most widely available network, and very high operating percentages, but the usability is flawless. No membership cards, fobs, or phone app connection needed. Just pull up, plug in, and charge. If you don’t intend to take road trips, and home charging meets >90% of your needs, the Tesla charging network isn’t going to be a selling point. But if you travel regularly, or you can’t install a home charger because you don’t have a garage or live in a multi family complex, the Tesla network is invaluable.

 

the usability is flawless. No membership cards, fobs, or phone app connection needed. Just pull up, plug in, and charge

Plug & Charge is on the cusp of offering that. I think for now since most ID.4 owners are exclusively seeking out EA for DCFC, it doesn't matter too much. But oncw free charging expires and the world opens up, PnC will be welcome and a borderline necessity for the sanity of some owners

 

Yay, maybe? This means I'll able to fish my usual spots; there's a Tesla Supercharger at the former Irving Truck Stop in Medway, Maine, just off I-95.

 

Looks like it will be 7,500 chargers that will be available by the end of next year.

After intense lobbying from the Biden administration, which is pushing to build a national network of 500,000 EV chargers across the country, Tesla will make 7,500 chargers available for all electric vehicles by the end of 2024.

 

Looks like it will be 7,500 chargers that will be available by the end of next year.

After intense lobbying from the Biden administration, which is pushing to build a national network of 500,000 EV chargers across the country, Tesla will make 7,500 chargers available for all electric vehicles by the end of 2024.

But only 3,500 of them will be DCFC. The rest are level 2.

 

No doubt all located in California.

 

I love the 30 min limit! Interested in how this really pans out... Tesla is a totally different protocol to talk, so I wonder how that would convert to what CCS uses.

 

I love the 30 min limit! Interested in how this really pans out... Tesla is a totally different protocol to talk, so I wonder how that would convert to what CCS uses.

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after 30 minutes almost all EVs will be in the SOC where they are between 80 - 100% where the charge times are VERY slow and they really should move on. at 80% an EV should be able to drove on down the road to the next charger. Their total charge times will be less and more EVS would be able to charge.

 

A screen shot would be helpful.

 

Everyone ok with Electrify America getting our tax money to build more mediocre charging experience so people can go back to ICE?

 

I am, because this time at least there are uptime requirements, minimum power level requirements, payment requirements, etc. Will the govt have teeth to measure and enforce those requirements? Probably not.

But I'll be in the ground if I keep waiting for a benevolent company to come along and do more than the bare minimum legally required.

I rather be stranded in the desert 130 degrees heat and have only have my own urine to drink than to put more money in that mouth piece Musk.

I don't want to use Tesla either, that's why I don't own one or support them. But competition rarely hurts the consumer more than helps imo.

 

If I understand it, the NEVI funding has to be used for chargers that are CCS compatible - meaning the funding could be used to convert some older chargers - say 2 chargers per V3 site - or it could be used to install new chargers at an old site, or the $ used to install a full new site. The question is, if it's used for a new site, wouldn't ALL the chargers have to be CCS compitable?

 

Not necessarily; a new site can have non-NEVI compliant chargers as long as the federal money isn't used to build them. FY2022 funds can also be used for adding CHAdeMO connectors.

Even an upgraded site would need 4 chargers to add CCS to qualify for subsidies.

 

The minimum is 4 CCS chargers per station.

 

Copy that, so what I said before, except revised to 4/8. But charging NEVI for something greater than 4/8, maybe 3/4 or 7/8 because they bill nevi for all the overhead, the transformers, the conduit, the permitting, etc.

 

Unless Tesla changes their chargers, most cars do not have the charge port on the correct corner. All Teslas have their port on the driver back. Most others have the port of the passenger back. You can't position the ID4 correctly and be able to use the SC, in its current configuration. The SC cords are really short.
Of course pull through ones would not be problem.

 

I would have payed a few hundred more to have a charge port on both sides of the ID.4, rear or front. I can't imagine it would cost much, but there's no way VW would see that as a worthwhile investment. Redundancy would be good though, even if you can't plug in two chargers at once. Or hell, have one port but stick it in the middle of the hood or bumper, why not? It worked for the leaf, minus the chadmeo part.

 

There are 5 times as many Supercharger sites as public CCS sites in my state. For instance opening Superchargers would end the Dallas to Birmingham I20 gap.

 

Does this mean that Tesla Superchargers will have CCS plugs or that we will need adapters to work with their existing plugs?

 

Neither one really - people speculate that the "Magic Dock" sort of adapter would be used. This would be built into the charger - a Tesla would charge pretty much as normal - when a CCS car needed to charge, the adapter would come off of the charger attached to the cable.

Nobody has seen one in the wild as of yet - just some press stories.