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Grizzl-E (and other) charger experiences

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#1 ·
If you are considering the Grizzl-E mini portable level 1/2 charger, my experience with their warranty service might be helpful in your purchasing decision. On the plus side - they did honor their three year warranty and eventually give me a refund of my purchase price after a warranty replacement also failed. The minus is the 2 failures and the amount of time it took to go through the warranty process.

My original Grizzl-E unit failed to charge on a 110v outlet with a "diode error". Total days from opening a ticket to receiving a replacement unit 27 days.
The warranty replacement had the exact same problem, and I was told that I would receive a refund of the purchase price (subject to the techs agreeing the 2nd unit had the same problem). Total days from opening ticket to receiving refund: 67 days. Part of the delay was that United wanted to send me a second replacement, despite their policy and I had already purchased a different level 1/2 charger due to an upcoming trip where I would be pretty far from any fast charger. It took United over a month to agree to honor the refund policy rather than send me a second replacement unit.

Note that United Chargers will let you purchase a refurbished model from them if you can't wait for a warranty return and replacement. Upon receipt of your returned unit, they will refund what you spent on a refurbished model. That might have cut my wait time for the initial replacement to a week or so.

I was impressed with the apparent build quality of the Grizzl-E, and it fit nicely in the lower well in the cargo area. Judging from the low serial numbers of both my original and replacement units, possibly the "diode error" was an early production defect so if I had not needed a charger in the car for a long trip I might have given United a third shot.

PS - the replacement I purchased on Amazon has worked without any problems on three different 110v circuits. It was only $249 (with a $60 coupon) vs the $490 Grizzl-E.
It is the EG "evgoer" Level 2 & 1. It charges up to 40 amps on 240v and has a 30 foot cord. It also fits in the lower well of the VW ID.4 when removed from the plastic case. The teal blue color of the cable and charger box trim is a slight minus. It does not have as many dongles as the Grizzl-E (just a 14-50 and a regular 110 plug). Unlike some Level 1/2 chargers on Amazon, the 110 plug does not have the little 20 amp tab that would prevent you from connecting to a 15 amp outlet.

My other chargers are a PrimecomTech 50 amp hardwired charger (on a 70 amp circuit) which has worked very reliably since March 2023 and a JuiceBox 40 which I have at my vacation house on a 50 amp 14-50 outlet which has also worked fine since purchased last July. The Juicebox has a locking bracket with a key. It managed to remember its wifi and utility reporting settings even after being disconnected and stored indoors from October - April.
 
#2 ·
It's a shame that a company that makes the effort to design rugged aluminum housings as a show of quality is plagued by QC issues. Their full sized units have had a handful of reports of loose terminals resulting in heat damage.

By comparison my plastic-house Clipper Creek and sub-$200 ZenCar and Duosida units have all been reliable long term performers.

Gives credence to judging books by covers and beauty being skin deep.
 
#4 ·
My experience with the original Grizzl-E was fine until I tried to use the ID.4's scheduling. If the car doesn't accept the charge on the Grizzl-E, the EVSE faults and won't start again when the car requests a charge. When I purchased it, we were assured there would be an upgrade circuit board available in the future that would turn it into a smart charger. They later changed their minds and never offered the upgrade.

The Grizzl-E is now in my attic and an Emporia replaced it. The Emporia works fine, but I am concerned that any smart access depends on Emporia keeping the website active. You can't even change the charging speed without internet access. I would feel much better if they exposed the API's so we could gain local control.
 
#5 ·
I’ve had a dumb grizzl-e since I got my car in fall of 21. Absolutely no problems with it. I see stories of failures from people somewhat regularly, but fwiw, mine has been great. In general I think it’s easier to find failures online than good feedback, so that’s why I chose to comment.

The unfortunate thing with most things these days is that electronics have a shelf life no matter what it is. And with the bottom line sometimes the only goal, the manufacturers and often their component providers aren’t necessarily putting something out there that can last. You can find someone who puts in all efforts to put a quality product together, but it’s hard to tell if the company that creates your components cares similarly, and often those may be the only options you’ve got for a given part.
 
#7 ·
I’ve had a dumb grizzl-e since I got my car in fall of 21. Absolutely no problems with it. I see stories of failures from people somewhat regularly, but fwiw, mine has been great. In general I think it’s easier to find failures online than good feedback, so that’s why I chose to comment.
Same here. I've had my dumb grizzl-e since Dec 2020 with no issues.
 
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I have a dumb Grizzl-E from 2021 I bought with my ID.4. Initially first impression it seemed bulletproof as @Nai3t suggested "judging book by cover" but it died last year and they gave me a refurb unit, which is still working fine, but I am a little worried about it. If the thing just die by itself I guess it is what it is, but what if next time it brought down my ID.4 with it while charging??

I recently got an Emporia home energy monitor for my house, since I already use the app maybe I replace my Grizzl-E with an Emporia charger, what do you think?
 
#8 ·
I have a dumb Grizzl-E from 2021 I bought with my ID.4. Initially first impression it seemed bulletproof as @Nai3t suggested "judging book by cover" but it died last year and they gave me a refurb unit, which is still working fine, but I am a little worried about it. If the thing just die by itself I guess it is what it is, but what if next time it brought down my ID.4 with it while charging??

I recently got an Emporia home energy monitor for my house, since I already use the app maybe I replace my Grizzl-E with an Emporia charger, what do you think?
I bought an Emporia about 6 months ago. Had my electrician wire it in to a 60A breaker while I already had him over for another job. It's everything I wanted. Not a single problem.

Favorite feature is the ability to adjust the "Charge rate". Can set between 6A and 48A, and change it on the fly within the app. I don't have a home energy monitor, but I think it will automatically adjust the charge rate if you also have the monitor.
 

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#6 ·
I purchased a Grizzl-e smart charger in 2021. As a dumb charger it worked okay. At one point, a firmware upgrade was necessary to work with the ChargeLab app. The vintage of the charger prevented an upgrade via download, so I had to take it in for a swap-out. I have never had satisfactory results with trying to "smart charge". The charger would lose wifi connectivity, and it appears that the cast aluminum housing, which is very rugged, also attenuates even a strong wifi signal. Fast forward to 2023, and they introduced the Grizzl-e connect app. This again required a firmware update, but my already updated charger could not be updated again. I contacted Grizzl-e, and even though my charger was still within the three year warranty period, THEY REFUSED TO UPGRADE AT NO CHARGE. They wanted 150 dollars (Canadian). I refused, and just use it as a dumb charger.

Another comment regarding the construction. There have been several complaints about overheating where the cables are connected to the terminal strip. I in fact re-torqued my connections, as one of them was not snug. One thing I really don't like is that the contactor is mounted to the PC board, and therefore the 40 amp current flows from the terminal strip through the printed circuit traces. Other chargers such as Clipper Creek use a contactor which has terminals with direct connections to the input and output cables. There is no current flowing through the circuit board.

The bottom line is that I wouldn't buy again. I would probably go with the DeWalt (either portable or wall mount) which are CSA approved (with UL reciprocity BTW).