Just noticed this on MyVW app for an OTA 3.8.11. Wonder how long it’ll take for this to install.
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New OTA 3.8.11 on MyVW app
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WolfpackBill
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I suspect European ID4s have something we don’t, so maybe this update addresses that.
It doesn’t make much sense for Tesla SuC to do something differently than they already do in Europe.
No one, including VW, has complained that Tesla requirements in NA are over the top.
It doesn’t make much sense for Tesla SuC to do something differently than they already do in Europe.
No one, including VW, has complained that Tesla requirements in NA are over the top.
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A clue perhaps..Werent the 24s charging ok on the SuCs during the unannounced test but some of the 23s could not, like one of ours? Both of ours have the 3.8.11 notifications.
Yes, but since 2021 owners reported they were successful and as a '21 owner myself on 3.5, I also have a 3.8 notification in my app.
We're not going to know until we know, but I look at it this way: VW has effectively given our cars chastity belts, like it or not. And it's been fine up until now with all the other networks. So now we're speculating that VW gave away the key to our chastity belt to, of all corporations, Tesla? On a whim? Without owner permission? Naw, not buying it.
We're not going to know until we know, but I look at it this way: VW has effectively given our cars chastity belts, like it or not. And it's been fine up until now with all the other networks. So now we're speculating that VW gave away the key to our chastity belt to, of all corporations, Tesla? On a whim? Without owner permission? Naw, not buying it.
My app now shows 2 OTA pending. OUJ9 (which is 3.2.13 from last year, like that makes any sense) and OUE7 to get to 3.8.11. But my 2021 car could charge at the SuC, so from my perspective I don't need much of anything.
Now we wait, I guess.
Now we wait, I guess.
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I’m more inclined to believe that VW didn’t bother when they’ve introduced the MEB platform to NA.
PPE seems to be fine and I doubt is less secure than MEB.
It seems VW have installed a certificate in our cars that allows them to encrypt the unique identity of the cars. Just like visiting an encrypted website, you need to have a trusted root certificate installed in your computer to decrypt the site. So, it seems likely VW have provided Tesla with their root certificate (this is not a security risk, and contains no personal data, but is required to maintain encrypted communications) so Tesla superchargers can decrypt the identity payload sent by our cars. It also seems likely they screwed this up for later models when they added Plug and Charge, which prevents Tesla from properly decrypting the payload. Therefore, they would need to push an update to our cars that fixes the certification store or certification mechanism… something thst might be broadly lumped under the topic of “IT Security”… let’s see if I’m right?
Mine shows four service campaigns pending! 3.2.11, 3.2.12, and 3.2.13 as well as 3.8.11. Under OTA it shows 3.5.11 as completed, and I did the 3.2.x ones before that… so their app is just wrong about all but the latest one.
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Since it’s already working for Audi and Porsche they should understand the issue exactly.
Most likely it’s a cost / maintenance issue which VW felt they didn’t have to provide at the ID4 price point until now but now they little choice but to implement it.
As far as I understand they have promised is coming, it would be very difficult to take that back.
Most likely it’s a cost / maintenance issue which VW felt they didn’t have to provide at the ID4 price point until now but now they little choice but to implement it.
As far as I understand they have promised is coming, it would be very difficult to take that back.
If that's the case, would that mean that 2021 would get PNC when they get the update pushed out?
Doubt it, since plug and charge only worked with the free plan, and ours have expired.
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P&C in Europe is different, and worked fir older ID4’s right?
Not that I’m pushing for it, I have no problem using the app.
It's seems like Jupiter 's suggestion is different, a lower level certificate that would serve only to identify the car as an anonymous VW product.
Plug and Change is a whole lot more involved than that, including back end payment services that don't appear to be in place yet. And of course actual ID of the vehicle, linked to the payment.
Everything I can see says the version in Europe including the changelog excerpt listed above is 3.8.1, not 3.8.11. Presumably there are differences since 3.8.1 (EU) that are in 3.8.11 (US and presumably Canada).
That's because we're on 4.0 software. Stuck in between the 2021 - 2024 (non Pro) on the 3.xx software and the 2025's that have gotten a recent update to 5.4(?). I want my software update too
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Why are they so behind when some of us are already in version 4?
They're not. 21s through non-Pro 24s are 3.x cars. Pro 24s are 4.x. 25s are on 5.x. It's a bit messy.
Because version 4 requires new hardware, and they said that 3.x will not get to 4. They have a different team working on OTA updates for us on older versions, and they are slow and lower priority.
Hahaha, messy is an understatement. I think the below is mostly right . . .
- The 2021/2022 cars came with 2.x, except for late production 2022 which came with 3.1
- The early production 2023s came with 3.1, but it was actually secretly 3.2
- The later production 2023s came with 3.5
- The 2021/2022 cars were eventually updated to the latest level of 3.2.x through a series of service center visits and OTA updates (note at that point they actually had newer software than early production 2023s)
- 2024 ID.4s came with 4.x software, except for the non-Pro trims, which still came with the 3.5 software
- 2025 ID.4s came with 5.x software, the non-Pro trims were dropped.
- 2021/2022/2023 vehicles were updated to the latest 3.5 version via OTA, except for some early production 2023s which could not be updated OTA and had to be updated at a service center
- 2021/2022/2023 vehicles will "soon" be getting an OTA update to 3.8. Presumably they'll all be able to be OTA updated this time
- The 2024 ID.4s are seemingly stuck at software 4.x, though I think maybe in Europe they announced upgrades from 4.x to 5.x, but it has to be done at a shop, not OTA.
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