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Regardless of who ultimately benefits from class actions, the threat of pain inflicted against the defendant should be enough to encourage good corporate behavior.

So even if they don't put a satisfactory resolution in the individual hands of the plaintiffs, these lawsuits definitely send a message.

But I agree with @His_Stigness that VW is very careful (legally) what they say, what they promise – Diess' AMA is the closest we got to a P&C promise and I expect it'll be eventually delivered. OTA? Nowhere to be found in writing, and if they deliver just one, they've fulfilled any verbal commitment.
 
#22 ·
Be careful that you don't get played by the "next shiny new object" syndrome.

OTA updates, who really cares? Plug-and-charge, who cares? It's not worth losing $10k or $20k by trading in a perfectly good 2021 on a 2025 just because the newer one has a few improvements. If you get into that mode it will be like American car habits in the 1950s where you got a new one every three years.
 
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Nai3t said:
Regardless of who ultimately benefits from class actions, the threat of pain inflicted against the defendant should be enough to encourage good corporate behavior.

So even if they don't put a satisfactory resolution in the individual hands of the plaintiffs, these lawsuits definitely send a message.

But I agree with @His_Stigness that VW is very careful (legally) what they say, what they promise – Diess' AMA is the closest we got to a P&C promise and I expect it'll be eventually delivered. OTA? Nowhere to be found in writing, and if they deliver just one, they've fulfilled any verbal commitment.
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I think we showed (recently) that a commitment to deliver routine, reasonably-frequent OTA updates was discussed in VW advertising and generally speaking, advertising is expected to be truthful.
 
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Atlant said:
I think we showed (recently) that a commitment to deliver routine, reasonably-frequent OTA updates was discussed in VW advertising and generally speaking, advertising is expected to be truthful.
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Point me to that discussion? The best to my recollection was "first OTA capable" and everything beyond that was chatter and aspirational statements.
 
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pooge30 said:
Due note, Lectron is not sending out many or they have a HUGE backlog. I ordered mine the First week of Feb and I still don't have it. And Lectron can't/won't give me a estimate when it will be delivered, which tells me they are having some issues right now.
As for the Plug and Charge. Time will tell, but I thought I saw some videos from Ford Owners that you can start the charge via the Tesla App. you might get a different price. But yea, if Plug and Charge is needed, I don't trust VW figuring this out. I am still waiting for my OTA for 3.2.x.
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Something is going on with the Lectron one. They finally told me this via an email. "Due to various factors such as production schedules, shipping logistics, and unforeseen circumstances, we are unable to provide an exact ETA for individual orders at this time "
 
#30 ·
I don't know where you live, but in SoCal the charger networks are in terrible shape. Tesla pledges to fix everything but they have no SuCs with MagicDock within 400 miles, and they make no announcements about where or when a MD will be installed. The lack of specifics and details give me no hope.

ALL of the chargers here are overloaded, except the Tesla ones. Thus, even though I would never buy one of their cars, I would use their SuCs if I could.
 
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Eric Nay said:
I don't know where you live, but in SoCal the charger networks are in terrible shape. Tesla pledges to fix everything but they have no SuCs with MagicDock within 400 miles, and they make no announcements about where or when a MD will be installed. The lack of specifics and details give me no hope.

ALL of the chargers here are overloaded, except the Tesla ones. Thus, even though I would never buy one of their cars, I would use their SuCs if I could.
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You are talking today, I am talking late 2025, possibly 2026, when VW might get on board with adapters. But that time, you're likely to see plenty of Magic Dock in your local area. Tesla is opening a super site with a restaurant in LA... I'd think that would be v4 SuC with Magic Dock,

See the gray dots? Those are upcoming sites... I would think Tesla would put Magic Docks knowing that since most EVs are Tesla, allowing CCS cars to charge will only help with site utilization.


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#33 ·
It seems to depend very strongly on geographic region. Colorado has so many you trip over them. I have had to wait a grand total of two times, for a few minutes each time. On the other hand, Wyoming has so few there are plenty of places you can't even go in a Tesla. One hopes that the situation will get better over time.

The claim that Tesla's charging system is profitable suggests that there will be other entrants into the marketplace, just based on good old capitalism. I'm not seeing it locally, though, where big new gas stations are springing up everywhere and almost none of them have chargers.
 
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I think advertising something as OTA capable means the vehicle will get atleast one OTA update.
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Oh there's no doubt VW set consumer expectations of OTAs every quarter. It's just that they carefully trode around committing to anything legally binding.

And perhaps that's why, despite the troubles, they're continuing to push forward with 3.2.x and maybe something more – just to say "we delivered!"
 
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p7wang said:
You are talking today, I am talking late 2025, possibly 2026, when VW might get on board with adapters. But that time, you're likely to see plenty of Magic Dock in your local area. Tesla is opening a super site with a restaurant in LA... I'd think that would be v4 SuC with Magic Dock,

See the gray dots? Those are upcoming sites... I would think Tesla would put Magic Docks knowing that since most EVs are Tesla, allowing CCS cars to charge will only help with site utilization.


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If the grey dots are upcoming Superchargers why does the legend you posted a picture of show them to be destination chargers?
 
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