[Nocedit]

I think advertising something as OTA capable means the vehicle will get atleast one OTA update.

The current software

Oh there's no doubt VW set consumer expectations of OTAs every quarter. It's just that they carefully trode around committing to anything legally binding.

And perhaps that's why, despite the troubles, they're continuing to push forward with 3.2.x and maybe something more – just to say "we delivered!"

Yeah, it's always been my philosophy to under-promise and over-deliver if you want to make people happy. VW has done the opposite with OTA.. but Tesla has been bungling things far worse with their over-promising on self-driving and the price cuts to the self-driving tech has to really piss off early adopters.

I would be driving a Tesla had my 2022 VW arrived 1 month later from Germany. The price cuts to the Model Y and Model 3 along with the re-instituted tax credit in eary 2023 would have made me cancel my VW. But I must say, after over a year with the ID.4 it's really a dream to drive. The current software has been stable and 99% of my gripes are with Electrify America network and some fixes to the car that should be super simple, but I'm learning to just deal with.

My very simple dream list of fixes, if VW is listening:

A) Add auto-lock feature to car that locks door when Key Fob is 10 feet or so away. (Door handle lock work 50% of the time.. and I'm tired of fishing my keys out of my pocket to lock doors when i leave the car. Also design a better key fob... even with a case.. I hit the car alarm accidentally in my pocket far too often).

B) Allow more customizing of Multi-User menus system that doesn't require 3 clicks to change users every time you enter the car. Allow ability to tie user information to the key fob so it automatically detects user based on fob proximity. Or simplify menu clicks so it's a one click switch of users in interface.

C) Connect seat settings to key fob so when driver opens door seat adjusts to user automatically. (Wife is 5'2.. I'm 6'0... I've gotten used to manually pushing seat adjustment on the seat itself... but it's something so simple and convenient to tie these features to the key fob... most other vehicles have had this ability since mid-2000s).

That's it... a very simple list to make me much happier

 

[camaroz1985]

If the grey dots are upcoming Superchargers why does the legend you posted a picture of show them to be destination chargers?

Dark grey are destination chargers, but they have been unselected and do not appear. What remains are "coming soon" Superchargers in light grey. If you go to the site you can see for yourself where things will be added by clicking on them to get more information.

 

[advancedcmr2]

The current software


Yeah, it's always been my philosophy to under-promise and over-deliver if you want to make people happy. VW has done the opposite with OTA.. but Tesla has been bungling things far worse with their over-promising on self-driving and the price cuts to the self-driving tech has to really piss off early adopters.

I would be driving a Tesla had my 2022 VW arrived 1 month later from Germany. The price cuts to the Model Y and Model 3 along with the re-instituted tax credit in eary 2023 would have made me cancel my VW. But I must say, after over a year with the ID.4 it's really a dream to drive. The current software has been stable and 99% of my gripes are with Electrify America network and some fixes to the car that should be super simple, but I'm learning to just deal with.

My very simple dream list of fixes, if VW is listening:

A) Add auto-lock feature to car that locks door when Key Fob is 10 feet or so away. (Door handle lock work 50% of the time.. and I'm tired of fishing my keys out of my pocket to lock doors when i leave the car. Also design a better key fob... even with a case.. I hit the car alarm accidentally in my pocket far too often).

B) Allow more customizing of Multi-User menus system that doesn't require 3 clicks to change users every time you enter the car. Allow ability to tie user information to the key fob so it automatically detects user based on fob proximity. Or simplify menu clicks so it's a one click switch of users in interface.

C) Connect seat settings to key fob so when driver opens door seat adjusts to user automatically. (Wife is 5'2.. I'm 6'0... I've gotten used to manually pushing seat adjustment on the seat itself... but it's something so simple and convenient to tie these features to the key fob... most other vehicles have had this ability since mid-2000s).

That's it... a very simple list to make me much happier

I agree with all!!!

 

[BigDaddyinKS]

Lectron not recommended, A2Z okay

This is the channel with all the Supercharger installation videos

Tom Malogney of "State of Charge" and Patrick of "Mach E Vlog" both tested the Lectron adapter and had no issues. I own the Lectron adapter tested it, with no issues. What I've found is on the bottom of the Tesla 3400 charging plug, the notch to lock the plug into a Tesla charge port or the Lectron adapter gets worn from heavy us and causes this issue. I tested 12 Tesla SC handles in my Lectron adapter, and 4 of the 12 locked properly while the other 8 didn't. The 8 handles that didn't lock looked beat up and well used to say it politely. This seems to be more of a Tesla issue and not Lectron issue. But Lectron said they would provide a return label and send me a new adapter free. They are taking responsibility and fixed the issue according to them as they say t was a bad batch, but I don't think it's the adapter lock or else it wouldn't lock on any of the Tesla charging handles.

 

[p7wang]

If the grey dots are upcoming Superchargers why does the legend you posted a picture of show them to be destination chargers?

Not sure how you are reading the gray dots as destination chargers. When I click on the gray dot at Oceanside, CA, it tells me it's a Supercharger opening this year. I do not know for sure that Tesla will make those Magic Dock... just that I believe new sites will be v4 and the plan is to make v4 sites have Magic Dock. We'll know for sure as it is built (you can visit the site as it is being installed to see if the stalls have Magic Docks.

 

[cbroncos]

I don't know where you live, but in SoCal the charger networks are in terrible shape. Tesla pledges to fix everything but they have no SuCs with MagicDock within 400 miles, and they make no announcements about where or when a MD will be installed. The lack of specifics and details give me no hope.

ALL of the chargers here are overloaded, except the Tesla ones. Thus, even though I would never buy one of their cars, I would use their SuCs if I could.

SuC what the heck is that.

 

[DrewMcG]

In the class action lawsuits I have been involved in, it was the lawyers that made money. I got the equivalent of a free car wash.

This is a common gripe, which wholly misses the dynamics/economics of consumer class actions. The lawyers never make more than the relief allocated to the class, and for every case class counsel succeeds on there may be a dozen that fail--costing class counsel thousands of hours of uncompensated work and possibly ten of thousands (perhaps even hundreds of thousands) of dollars of their own uncompensated $$. The "only the lawyers make money" trope is one that corporations love to promote, since it discourages class actions, which are one of the only ways to hold them accountable.

The criticism in this context is even more laughable, considering VW paid something like $16 billion (with a "b") to consumers to settle the dieselgate class actions a few years ago, and even funded the rollout of Electrify America (which we ID.4 owners have enjoyed for free) as well!

 

[DrewMcG]

Does the fact 2023s plug and charge with EA mean they will do the same with Superchargers? I know there are more knowledgeable folks than I here wrt PnC.

The two points are unrelated. VW has to negotiate a deal with Tesla for access to it's network. The Tesla-designed/made adapter is "dumb" and doesn't care what vehicle it's plugged into. We already know 2021 ID.4s can use superchargers b/c magicdoc stations work.

 

[DrewMcG]

Something is going on with the Lectron one. They finally told me this via an email. "Due to various factors such as production schedules, shipping logistics, and unforeseen circumstances, we are unable to provide an exact ETA for individual orders at this time "

Check out Brenden Flash's YouTube review of the Lectron adapter, which he deemed unsafe and does not recommend. Get the A2Z one instead until Lectron sorts out their manufacturing problem (apparently, a locking lever or pin installed backwards).

 

[Spin]

This is a common gripe, which wholly misses the dynamics/economics of consumer class actions. The lawyers never make more than the relief allocated to the class, and for every case class counsel succeeds on there may be a dozen that fail--costing class counsel thousands of hours of uncompensated work and possibly ten of thousands (perhaps even hundreds of thousands) of dollars of their own uncompensated $$.

The lawyers would not take these cases if they didn't have a reasonable expectation of making money.

 

[DrewMcG]

Tom Malogney of "State of Charge" and Patrick of "Mach E Vlog" both tested the Lectron adapter and had no issues. I own the Lectron adapter tested it, with no issues. What I've found is on the bottom of the Tesla 3400 charging plug, the notch to lock the plug into a Tesla charge port or the Lectron adapter gets worn from heavy us and causes this issue. I tested 12 Tesla SC handles in my Lectron adapter, and 4 of the 12 locked properly while the other 8 didn't. The 8 handles that didn't lock looked beat up and well used to say it politely. This seems to be more of a Tesla issue and not Lectron issue. But Lectron said they would provide a return label and send me a new adapter free. They are taking responsibility and fixed the issue according to them as they say t was a bad batch, but I don't think it's the adapter lock or else it wouldn't lock on any of the Tesla charging handles.

It's a Lectron problem, pure and simple. Failing three-quarters of the time (8 out of 12) proves that!!

 

[DrewMcG]

The lawyers would not take these cases if they didn't have a reasonable expectation of making money.

Your point being?

 

[Eric Nay]

SuC what the heck is that.

Su-per C-harger. Tesla calls their chargers "Super Chargers". Someone abbreviated that as SuC and I follow that convention.

 

[Nai3t]

The criticism in this context is even more laughable, considering VW paid something like $16 billion (with a "b") to consumers to settle the dieselgate class actions a few years ago, and even funded the rollout of Electrify America (which we ID.4 owners have enjoyed for free) as well!

Dieselgate is an extreme and rare example.

And in fact, looking past the huge total sum VW paid out, us affected owners were basically paid a bluebook value for turning in our cars. Some of us made out better than others: some were upside down on loan to value and couldn't cover their loans, while others of us "made out " because our initial purchase prices were well below sticker and we had tons equity. But when the dust settled, we were "made whole."

There was other compensation from VW and Bosch in smaller amounts, and Volvo offered Dieselgate owners a 0% / free maintenance deal I took advantage of – I definitely came out of the ordeal shining. But it wasn't necessarily a windfall.

But the biggest beneficiary was VW itself. As part of the settlement, they were required to invest $5B in electrification. "Brer Fox, for Lord's sake, don't fling me in to that briar patch.”

 

[Spin]

Your point being?

You insinuated that lawyers don't necessarily make money on Class Action Lawsuits. I'm pretty sure they do make money or they wouldn't take them.

 

[Moe]

The two points are unrelated. VW has to negotiate a deal with Tesla for access to it's network. The Tesla-designed/made adapter is "dumb" and doesn't care what vehicle it's plugged into. We already know 2021 ID.4s can use superchargers b/c magicdoc stations work.

We already know all of that, but thanks. My question is about Plug and Charge… meaning one doesn’t need (but still can use) a Tesla account and smartphone app to use a Supercharger as they do now with Magic Dock. I’ve read the VW/EA PnC doesn’t follow the ISO standard.

 

[Nai3t]

I’ve read the VW/EA PnC doesn’t follow the ISO standard.

Do you recall where you've seen that?

I've been under the impression EA is the first to market in the US with a fully 15118-20 compliant system and we're just waiting for the other CPOs to catch up.

 

[Moe]

Do you recall where you've seen that?

I think maybe it was here.

I've been under the impression EA is the first to market in the US with a fully 15118-20 compliant system and we're just waiting for the other CPOs to catch up.

Well, I expect the EA end of it can be compliant since they’re part of Ford’s network (as are a dozen others). One could infer 2023 ID.4 would then be if EA didn’t do anything special for VW. What’s confusing to me is that both 3.2.12 and 3.5 2023 models are EA PNC supported, but earlier 3.2.12 are not.

 

[Nai3t]

My fingers are crossed well see it included in our first "real" post 3.2.12 OTA!

 

[SunWizard]

One could infer 2023 ID.4 would then be if EA didn’t do anything special for VW.

EA did something very special just for 2023 VWs, and its only good for the free plan, which is the special part. If you buy a used one, or your free plan expires, you don't have P&C any more. So its not true P&C until VW figures out a way to attach a credit card to it in the US (as they have done in EU.)